There was a good idea about that. Kindred could stack the dmg dealt with Wolf's Frenzy, and when the effect ends the Lamb would be healed for % amount of that dmg. I would be much less toxic to play against, giving some counterplay (you can get out of W range or make Kindred leave it) and would eliminate problem with attacking monsters only to heal, making their clear cost some hp anyways.
TheFallenShaw19 votesPeople are still generally hating kindred so I doubt anything will be done. Because when she was strong she was to strong. So the nerfed her to shit. Now anytime someone brings it up, players like L Sion Bot L there bash them. Why? because he doesn't even care to understand her current state. Hell players like him prob still think Azir and Nid have a high win rate.
Ben Sharpio2 votesyou make it sound like i'm a villain
Papa Andrei13 votesI see you in the same boat as Big Lincoln, Dominus, and Prophecy of Urgod. An absolute troll with no actual understanding of how the game works and if something is abusive for your mains it needs to ve absolutely gutted.
TwinkiePro1 votesYou mean dominick? he's basically the same thing anyways...
Ben Sharpio1 votesu can flame me, but dont flame dominux and lincoln like that they are amazing people nd dont deserve to be talked about like that :(
Papa Andrei8 votesITs less a flame and more an observation about a personality.
Rip no tone inflections on text
Anidan1 votesWe need ways to convey tone through text besides extremely carefully chosen words that may have their connotation accidentally skipped over. CURSE YOU, LIMITED COMMUNICATIONS! Italics, bolding, and underlining can only do so much, y'know?
Big Lincoln3 votesit's ok, we'll always have each other
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Big Lincoln2 votesdon't flame me pls, i done nothing wrong
Geodk1 votesI came here looking for salt, oh boy. Looks like I struck a saltmine
AninLegions7773 votesKindred was never "too" strong. People just let them get their marks easily.
Papa Andrei5 votesShe was more of annoying than anything.
C0ck Lord1 votesI would prefer a champion be annoying, and fun to play. Then underpowered, and frustrating to play
I am Razgriz1 votesIt's annoying for people playing VS them and the League community, if anything, hates that shit.
AninLegions7772 votesLmfao. More annoying than 3k hp irelia stunning 1.5k Lucian? More annoying that Syndra missing most of her Qs but still oneshotting you? More frustrating than Jayce? More frustrating that a 5 sec Trynda ult or 2.5 second Kayle ult? I could sit here all day and list things more frustrating and annoying than release Kindred. Kindred were down low in the annoying scale.
GameBurst1 votesPreech dude preech
Papa Andrei4 votesYe, but on a scale of 1- Old Yorick, she was about a 7
I am Razgriz1 votesAlso, Tahm Kench.
Terozu1 votesA kindred with BOTRK, 8 stacks, and the jg item that gives % health dmg, can melt squishies, and tanks like it's nothing, and that's after the nerfs.
AninLegions7771 votes8 stack Kindred. Lmfao! You must have played really carelessly for them to get that much. And the reason kindred could "melt" tanks was because of devourer. Devourer broke a long of champs but after it's removal, they became balanced.
Terozu3 votesI was the kindred. Oh and you can get 6 stacks from just jg steals. I got 4 from champs b4 I could though :b It was a good game, good team. And she can melt champs because with that set up, she does 24% of their health as bonus dmg.
AninLegions7772 votesYou can get 6 and you can also die 6 times trying to get your marks. Kindred have a fucking weak early game as a jungler. Almost EVERY jungler is stronger at levels 1-6. So if they let you get your marks, they can't complain if you get fed. Also getting 4 from champions? LUUUUUUUUL. The moment a Kindred mark appears over an enemy's head, they should dish out the wards in all directions. Obviously people who didn't know how to play against them. Oh and I've gotten 20 stacks in a game. Level 7 Kindred. D5 elo. 8 stacks back then with devourer was a lot.
Terozu1 votesor my team was good enough to help me get my marks, and cool ive gotten 20 stacks in a game too, you can melt squshies, and this is all after devourer.
AninLegions7771 votesExcept you were 3+ with a tank to dive every single time, I doubt that was the reason you got the marks. The enemy probably overextended and you took advantage.
C0ck Lord7 votesThey didn't just nerf her to shit. They made her basically unplayable. They made it so shes a high risk, low reward champion. Basically, if you don't get 5 kills before 20 minutes on kindred, you'll most likely get shit on for most of the game. WHICH PISSES ME OFF, because they completely killed her as a champion.
vfactor951 votesHow does a basically unplayable champion have a 48% winrate?
Sound Voltex1 votesHow does a basically unplayable champion have a 48% winrate?
People that say that are too bad to play Kindred. Personally I think she's near OK status and I'd rather see bonus single target dmg vs monsters than a fucking useless heal that won't change anything
vfactor951 votesYeah I mean they could probably use a small buff but it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
Also your summoner name sounds really familiar - did you post on GD or youtube or something?
Sound Voltex1 votesYeah I mean they could probably use a small buff but it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
Also your summoner name sounds really familiar - did you post on GD or youtube or something?
GD, used to post a lot 2 years ago then stopped posting until recently cuz I had no free time
Ben Sharpio3 votesKindred is never fun to play against when she's meta. Especially with how brainless her ult is for how impactful it can be.
Scopé4 votesSo You think that Lee, Vayne, Yasuo, Zed, Riven etc. are fun to play against? Well, apparently some people think so, since these champs are not being gutted or even significantly nerfed...
Ben Sharpio1 votesYeah i think lee, yasuo,riven ect arent annoying to play against because they don't give you "chores" to do every game, and don't have ultimates that are janna-tier in terms of being brainless and effective
Scopé7 votesYour statement about their R is so wrong, mate. It is not brainless at all. It works in a similar way to Bard's ultimate and there is so much that can go wrong with it. You can for example save the enemy carry or press it 1ms after Your teammate dies. If You do so, the teamfight is usually lost. Lamb's Respite is not biased, after it's being cast, it's a neutral zone (it's not Taric's or Kayle's R) and only right timing and positioning will make it powerful and rewarding.
Handin Out Naps2 votesKindred is Nidalee tier of annoying to play against, she isn't even comparable to the commonly circle jerked champions. When she was viable she was just the best and if you weren't also the best "aka Nidalee" you weren't allowed to play. Here is a quote from the rioter who constantly nerfed Kindred:
Kindred had 7 straight patches of nerfs. This is true. Why? Because she was fundamentally broken. It's straight up not okay for a ranged carry jungler to be the #1 jungle duelist, which is what her kit allowed her to be. Melee junglers don't get to exist in a world like that. A comparison would be if Vayne could jungle at full health while having more tankiness and mobility than you in a duel, WHILE BEING RANGED. That was Kindred. The basic idea behind what makes Vayne somewhat okay to fight against early is that even though she beats you at range, she's squishy so if you get on her she dies. With healing and 27 armor that wasn't the case for Kindred and I'm not even talking about post 6 when she gets that ultimate.
Those champs don't get gutted because they aren't game breaking like Kindred.
Scopé2 votesYeah, I've read this and I think the idea he came up with isn't really smart. I can agree on armor nerf, that's perfectly fine for a ranged duelist. However, every single dedicated jungler has some kind of sustain in their kit. Nidalee, Elise, Gragas, Hecarim can heal, Skarner, Vi, Lee Sin have a shield, even Graves can buff his stats to stay healthier in the jungle+monsters are pushed away from him. Kindred has AA and MS slow on them, but nothing that would make them a bit stronger in duels... WTF?
The idea of healing I proposed is not toxic at all, as it is not for "free" as it was before. Junglers need sustain. ADC's almost always have support by their side and a summoner heal if needed. They give them shields, boost their stats, heal them or keep enemies away thanks to CC. The only support Kindred have in the early game is their E which is 50% slow... (RLY?) How can this help them counterjungle and get marks?
TL;DR Armor nerf fine. No heal, unnecessary nerf because Kindred cannot count on a support champion by their side.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votes[{quoted}](name=l Sion Bot l,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vkmm9rLX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-02-11T22:15:32.057+0000)
Kindred is never fun to play against when she's meta. Especially with how brainless her ult is for how impactful it can be.
simcom shrekt u
Albuquerque2 votesKindred is never fun to play against when she's meta.
They were only ever meta once, which was for only a few months after their release. They're not that old of a champion.
Also, I played during that time. I remember what it was like to play them and play against them. They were overpowered for only 2 reasons:
Especially with how brainless her ult is for how impactful it can be
Lolwut? Their ult is incredibly difficult to use properly. It's a lot like 
's ult. You can kill you're entire team if it's used wrong. You're right, it is very impactful, but it isn't 'brainless' to use by any margin.
AgeOfTheMage2 votesWhat if they got their old heal back, but the only way it would heal them, is if they had a mark, like. at lvl 1 they wont have it, but when they get their first mark, they'll get the heal, it'll get stronger the more marks they have it wont have any scaling asides their marks, so it's not as opressive, and rewards you for getting marks
VoraciousX2 votesI don't think that'd eliminate the problem of "free heals" from Kindred. They could use it in a group of minions and stack it up and get a big heal at the end of it. The problem with Kindred's heal is it just makes them too good. If there were a way to balance it, so that they didn't trick you into thinking "I'm gonna die, but not really" then it might not be so bad, but the thing is Kindred has an ult that grants them survivability so they can stack that heal while they should be dying, have more HP than you, and then kill you straight out. Staying inside a Kindred ult then becomes the wrong option 100% of the time while getting out of it also becomes a problem because it was always so damn hard to get away from a ranged jungler with red buff and blue smite. I do think there COULD be some sort of interaction with their W, maybe give a percentage of the damage of Wolf's bite back as health. Each time he bites someone, Lamb gets health from it. This would keep them from gaining health all of the time and would only happen when WOLF attacked a target, meaning they can't just drop their W, do a few autos, and walk out of it, they'd have to actively stay inside of it and determine if the heal would be worth it.
So You think that Lee, Vayne, Yasuo, Zed, Riven etc. are fun to play against? Well, apparently some people think so, since these champs are not being gutted or even significantly nerfed...
None of the champions you're mentioning being "unfun to play against" have a 57% in rate, in fact all of them are hovering the 50% win rate, with Zed being the only one actually AT a 50% win rate, while all the others are below it(some as low as 48%). Kindred when they were strong was so strong that they dominated the game and there was no way to get away. Having Kindred be as strong as before or even close would be 500% more annoying than any of the champions you just mentioned.
Scopé1 votesThey could use it in a group of minions and stack it up and get a big heal at the end of it.
Not really, because wolf's attacks are pretty slow, so stacking it in a group of minions would take some time. Junglers don't really can afford such waste.
Kindred has an ult that grants them survivability so they can stack that heal while they should be dying, have more HP than you, and then kill you straight out.
It would depend on ult's and W's timing. Sometimes, Wolf's Frenzy can end before ending of Lamb's Respite which means - no heal at all (heals doesn't work in the circle).
In other case, when both duelists are low, W's dmg won't stack because of obvious invulnerability.
And finally, when Kindred are low on hp, but there is Kha or other Rengo that wants their head. Well, that is potentially problematic because at the end of Lamb's Respite, Kindred would be healed for 200-300hp (but enemy would be too, so it doesn't really matter) and some additional health points from W. However, it's a perfect scenario where W ends as soon as the R does, or where it was placed in a way that lets you jump out of it right after the blessing ends which requires some prediction. Thus, it would be a new mechanic, that is not so easy to execute properly, allowing enemies to surprisingly catch The Eternal Hunters with low hp and kill them as soon as their R ends because the heal wouldn't actually proc fast enough. Unless they would flash or something.
Hope you get my point.
ModAcademy Kayn2 votesThat was never the reason. The reason it was nerfed, was because Kindred was staying way too healthy in the jungle.
Big Lincoln2 votesthis is a pretty good idea tbh
would you limit to damage dealt inside of the circle? So like, if I move out of the circle, or if I force her out, and she still hits me, will that not stack up for the heal afterwards?
Scopé5 votesOnly the DMG dealt by Wolf would be stacked. So if the wolf would attack you once dealing 80 dmg and assuming the % is let's say 20%, then Kindred is healed for 16HP. The longer Wolf attacks, the more heal You get up to a fixed value to keep it healthy for the enemies.
Big Lincoln1 votesthat's even more manageable, yeah. mb for misreading
yeah i like this idea, i hate kindred with a passion but if we make her more manageable im all for pulling her back into viability
Sexy Jack Rabbit2 votesThe amount of people saying "her" in the comments is an example of how Riot messed up their design. Wolf is literally so irrelevant the champ may as well be called "Lamb + Particle effect"
GigglesO1 votesHas to be in combat with a monster for 8 seconds before being allowed to heal... can only heal once every minute... gives a little jungle sustain but not much...
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesnobody played assassins for an entire season when kindred was meta
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesOnly if it procs on just the jungle monsters. There's no reason for her to have self-heal in-lane at all.
AngryMilkbag1 votesI do agree with buffing her and returning the W heal, however in a more subtle way. The camps can be a pain, marks can be predictable and early game she can easily get jumped by someone like Lee Sin or any other decent jg in this season. Her clear is overall strong, and as a mastery 7 kindred its actually pretty easy to get red, raptors, wolves, gromp blue buff, and a good gank off even without a leash.
Here's the thing: Late game, if not fed you'll get one shot. If not fed early game, you'll get shit on sooner or later.
You're squishy, and you dish out barely any damage. However, I usually get around 6-10 stacks on a good game, and her ad is fine. Build crit and some health/ad items like frozen mallet or black cleaver (which I recommend as their 2nd item). It's hard to play kindred in all honesty, especially because of her scaling attack dmg and terrible sustain without her ultimate. She has potential, but many players cannot adapt to them. A buff would be really nice! What do y'all think?
y'all have a good day! happy hunting ^.^
