Riot I wish you never touched Athene's Unholy Grail

Before it was perfectly fine and awesome, now....even with this item I'm still in need of mana -_-

Before it was perfectly fine and awesome, now....even with this item I'm still in need of mana -_-
I think they nerfed it because it was the be all of items. You got it, and not only did you never run out of mana, you also got a fair amount of MR to fight your opponent.
This.
I wish they left it more viable/desirable but it was a little too good all around. Case in point, not all AP mids can justify having 2 mana items.
I think they nerfed it because it was the be all of items. You got it, and not only did you never run out of mana, you also got a fair amount of MR to fight your opponent.
Why not just remove the MR all together or lower it then?
Kinda think they overnerfed it but, it was pretty damn strong.
Thats why they touched it
Theres no reason bad players should have unlimited mana just for buying an OP item.
Before it was perfectly fine and awesome, now....even with this item I'm still in need of mana
so it works correctly
i dont think you understand mana gating
mana using champs are SUPPOSED TO run out of mana
Yes, and lets have Ziggs and Xerath abuse the ridiculous mana regen where once they got it they can continue to harass and wave clear with out worrying about running out of mana.
Sounds more to me like the problem was Ziggs and Xerath having absurdly long range abilities on a very short cooldown, theoretically restricted by mana costs but not to a severe enough extent that it actually worked out that way in practice.
They would still need to nerf athene's incredible 20% cdr.
you know what helps your mana? hitting your skillshots.
Actually, and if I am wrong correct me, most champions do not get mana back by hitting their skill shots as opposed to missing them.
yea but you will kill your opponent before you go oom. No champs can hit spell after spell without getting something done before going oom.
Still doesn't account for champs with mana problems without skill shots lol...
I'm not saying I agree with OP, just that hitting your skillshots doesn't help with mana for most champs.