I just played a game against a Shaco.

KalokasIsMyDaddy·1/13/2020, 1:56:00 PM·25 votes·11,463 views

He went Hail of Blades and full AD/Attack Speed. He basically ran every one of us down. We couldn't face him due to his high attack speed and damage, so we tried running away from him. But that doesn't work. Because Backstab kicked in then, and we were just dying instantly. I was a Lee Sin with 168 armor and 2.8k hp and I died within 2 seconds of him attacking me.

Shouldn't Backstab get its cooldown back? I just don't think it's really fun and interesting gameplay to die to 2 invisible clowns in 2 seconds, but that's just my opinion.

46 Comments

ApexInTheCircle1/13/2020, 2:21:55 PM19 votes

I'm more pissed that he's allowed to lay boxes while stealthed.

Thefrostyviking1/13/2020, 3:03:39 PM18 votes

This is what Shaco does by default whenever he is any good <.<

But it seems like Riot caved in to bunch of mains complaining day in and out and figured that "hey man, we already have so much other shit floating around already so we might as well add one more, not like it makes a difference"......

Now Shaco is kinda in the same spot as Aatrox was post his mini rework before the VGU that remade him, admittedly i do not think Shaco is anywhere near that OP at all, at least not relative to the rest of the game, but is he frustrating and toxic to deal with? Absolutely.

In my opinion Riot should not ever buff or mini rework champs that need a VGU and then just leave them until they get it no matter what their state ends up being, because like we saw with Aatrox his populations of mains practically got multiplied by ten, all whom were complaining when their new ~~source of freelo~~ main was taken away.

Shaco now? Bunch of people are enjoying him for his gameplay that needs to be greatly changed and we will we drown in endless complaints once that actually happens......Riot are true masters of diggings holes for themselves to fall into x)

boricCentaur11/13/2020, 2:58:21 PM17 votes

I'm going to be honest he should be left in a bad state until a full rework.

Like his design is just way too fucking toxic, basically no counter play, annoying as all hell, and way too many build paths.

Just fuck this champion. HOW HAS HE NOT BEEN FUCKING REWORKED YET. He fits all the requirements many times over, looks like complete shit, horrible game play, has been a balance problem many times over.

Crescent Dusk1/13/2020, 5:40:25 PM9 votes

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He went Hail of Blades and full AD/Attack Speed. He basically ran every one of us down. We couldn't face him due to his high attack speed and damage, so we tried running away from him. But that doesn't work. Because Backstab kicked in then, and we were just dying instantly. I was a Lee Sin with 168 armor and 2.8k hp and I died within 2 seconds of him attacking me.

Shouldn't Backstab get its cooldown back? I just don't think it's really fun and interesting gameplay to die to 2 invisible clowns in 2 seconds, but that's just my opinion.

If you can't 1v1 shaco with a busted ass, braindead champ like Lee Sin who entirely counters him with his true vision, you deserved to lose.

Weiss Guertena1/13/2020, 6:05:16 PM8 votes

You were playing one of champions who are best equipped to deal with Shaco, having a reveal and several ways of disengaging, and whose numbers are also blatantly overtuned as well. Either that Shaco was fed as hell in which case he deserves to be rewarded for playing well or it's a skill issue on your part.

Hibeki1/13/2020, 10:19:35 PM6 votes

There is no world where an attack speed shaco doesnt die to a lee sin.

Your problem was you built all tank. IF you build literally any amount of damage, auto attack Q R Q would just straight kill him

Fegone1/13/2020, 4:40:36 PM5 votes

It's so easy to be bad at Shaco, but if you put in the work and actually become good, or at least descent with him, you should be rewarded. Plus late game he's garbage for the most part.

I think he's fine.

ACatIsFineToo1/13/2020, 9:21:11 PM4 votes

Haven't seen any Shaco's building Crit and attack speed, so thats odd. And your playing Lee sin, so thats also odd, you should be able to one shot shaco pretty easily, he is insanely squishy. Use your AOE, see what one takes more damage, and then combo the other one and you win. Shaco isn't broken, hes fine.

The thigh guy1/13/2020, 4:22:20 PM4 votes

You see. Your first mistake was building armor at all. Defensive stats are just a noob trap atm.

SiG DxD1/13/2020, 11:54:59 PM4 votes

hahahahaha

lee sin qqing about shaco

lee sin

Xhaiden1/14/2020, 12:04:41 AM4 votes

Guess you didn't check his profile: that's a Shaco main from Diamond with 601 games and 57% win rate in rank. Yet, in the past days - he won and lost an equal amount of games (10 wins 10 losses) - with that build. And in 90% of those games he played vs lower elo (even 2 divisions lower). Also, i don't understand - why you're so surprised (I was a Lee Sin with 168 armor and 2.8k hp and I died within 2 seconds of him attacking me) - while that happened late game and you were facing this build...

https://i.imgur.com/OmXQcLK.png[]

I mean, with that build every AD and every assassin - seems broken late game.

PapaGreg211/13/2020, 8:01:38 PM3 votes

I have banned that clown every game for 4 years. Why any champion can be invisible and 100-0 me in a full rotation is beyond me.

Saezio1/13/2020, 5:17:56 PM3 votes

Wow a diamond jungler stomping gold plebs in a normal game while his counterpart is bronze. THE CHAMP IS THE PROBLEM.

I am not saying shaco is 100% healthy. But you seem to deliberately not put all the facts about that game on the table.

It was a normal game where a diamond OTP shaco faced a bronze 2 evelyn . WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK DID YOU SUPPOSE WOULD HAPPEN? Swap the champs and the outcome is the same, the only difference is this thread is complaining about eve.

teto god supp1/13/2020, 10:34:44 PM2 votes

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I just don't think it's really fun and interesting gameplay to die to 2 invisible clowns in 2 seconds,

I agree, we should delete Khazix and Kaisa

UlyssesISR1/14/2020, 12:33:21 AM2 votes

Shaco is only good if you actually practice with him is the ironic part about the complaints that gets left out.

Shiroyashayami1/14/2020, 8:33:50 AM2 votes

Only 4% of the playerbase plays him because only mains and otp do. You must have met a Shaco main, which sucks because I would do the same shit to you or worse with AP or AD Shaco. It doesn't mean that he was good or that I am good. No. We are just very familliar with our champion because we spam it all the time. For us that is the only champion worth playing and the rest is plain and boring. If you learn your champion that way, you will find that your champion also has some unfair mechanics and you should use them. You probably don't know about 60% of your champion's hidden mechanics. Also the game sucks right now and you should really focus on "the damage is too high in this game" thing, because that is the source of the problem.

Even1/14/2020, 1:53:29 AM1 votes

Shaco is broken, but AD is not the problem at all. His ap build is what is unbeatable

HA I am Shaco HA1/14/2020, 4:57:22 PM1 votes

Never once in my life have I heard of a 168 armor Lee Sin losing to a Shaco and dying "in 2 seconds". You talk a lot of rubbish, Lee sin can easily take down Shaco in a fight.

xelaker1/14/2020, 6:20:10 PM1 votes

Shaco is always cancer when he is viable. Dude needs some changes.

RyzeRework1/13/2020, 3:54:11 PM1 votes

I think the problem your having is not building damage to blow shaco up

killwhenlick1/14/2020, 2:39:53 AM1 votes

Me too, in ranked, i am a pretty decent katarina player, i died 20 times because of that fat frick of a beach. Just go invis and oneshot, oh wait, hes ranged, oh wait , he has a TIAMAT. Oh wait, i cant fricking teamfight because his trap and his ult exists and ad or ap, he oneshots you.

Rito games make league of legends fun again and do what you did to sylas to shaco.

Why cant all actually broken picks get nerfed like akali and why does trash players exist in my placement matches. At least give me real players for my team.

Thanks rito