Removing Duplicate Champions

K54·Dec 3, 2015·2 votes·1,505 views

I know I'll probably get down voted to hell for this post, but I feel like some champs are identical with only slight differences in their kit and how to use their active abilities. I think we could keep one and get rid of the other, or at least give one of the two a rework.

The first five examples that come to mind are: and and and and and

I know everybody (including myself) can point of how unique these characters are and how extremely different they are to one another, but you can't argue that you get Deja Vu sometimes.

44 Comments

Packun FlowerDec 3, 201511 votes

Tryndamere + Swain = http://i.imgur.com/in10fDk.png

Zyra + KogMaw = http://i.imgur.com/Kw2QPzj.jpg

Taric + Lux = http://i.imgur.com/xveIU7M.jpg

Dem phone app champs

PennsDec 3, 20157 votes

Diana and Nautilus dafuq? summoner 21

EcchiOtakuTMDec 3, 20154 votes

Laughed harder than I should have at the barrier.... [zombie-brand-clap] well played

DryditchDec 5, 20152 votes

Feel like I'm missing something here with Barrier. Praise the sun?

Or is it about their shields on W?

EcchiOtakuTMDec 5, 20152 votes

IMO it's like the "WTF BOOM" meme that's why I laughed so hard.

DryditchDec 5, 20151 votes

Oh... Ok. XD

dunkeroniDec 3, 20155 votes

So...

AP Assasin = CC Tank True Damage CC Fighter = Attacks Speed Jungler Heavy CC Tank = AP Siege Tank AP in-combat HP tank = AD out-of-combat HP tank AP kiting global ults = AD dashing wave push

With that logic Heimerdinger = Teemo because they're both AP and short.

K54Dec 3, 20151 votes

Shallow perception.

WoonStruckDec 3, 20151 votes

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So...

AP Assasin = CC Tank True Damage CC Fighter = Attacks Speed Jungler Heavy CC Tank = AP Siege Tank AP in-combat HP tank = AD out-of-combat HP tank AP kiting global ults = AD dashing wave push

With that logic = because they're both AP and short.

Ezreal and Lucian actually do over-lap. The only truly distinct aspects are the passives and ults. And Lucian being far better at the rest.

BeatzBoyFTWDec 3, 20154 votes

You didn't even state out on what point are they actually similar. This is typically why not a single soul is actually supporting your statement & you still dare to make the fact that some certain champions listed needs to be removed.

and

One has burst, other is just an annoying CC tank. She has a medium annoying poke with Q, whilst Naut is typically always an all-in champion. One can pull every enemy in a circle, other can pull only 1 champion. One has a dash ult which has refreshed cooldown on marked target, other has a minefield knockup ult.

and

One has natural tenacity, other doesn't have it. One deals true damage, other doesn't. One heals in every hit, other requires 3 hits. One has a slow/stun, other has a slow & knockback(except targetted one). One can move through tons of 1 HP minions for mobility, other just dashes once and that's it.

and

One can do an AoE slow/stun, other creates a 20% damage reduction for his team. One's dash is a skillshot, other is a small Point & Click ability. One stuns a single target, other can make an AoE knockup/slow.

and

One uses HP cost, other is manaless. One has a skillshot, other doesn't. One's AoE damage is magic damage & decreases health steadily, other spins2win dealing high AD damage with crits & armor penetration(from builds). One shouts Mundo, other yells Demacia.

and

One has single target skillshot, other needs a Point & Click to do a proper damaging line. One can use AP W to burst, other can use his W to do tons of kiting. One is a Flash which costs tons of mana, other is a cheap dash who's cooldown decreases from passive & becomes manaless at Rank 5. One is a global ult, other is just a short distance bullet spams.

WoonStruckDec 3, 20152 votes

Diana and Naut are Very, very different.

Irelia and Xin's gameplay, while both binary, are very, very different.

Leona and Maokai are very, very different.

Mundo and Garen are very, very different.

Ezreal and Lucian are the only ones you have a point on, as their niche overlaps, with Lucian being the far stronger of the two. However, that's due to Ezreal not being a dedicated...anything. He's not really an ADC, he's not really a mage. Ezreal just needs a rework into something completely different. The champion isn't "Ezreal." The champion is "The gauntlet Ezreal found." Thematically and kit-wise he needs to be redone.

RogueWillDec 3, 20152 votes

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Diana and Naut are Very, very different.

Irelia and Xin's gameplay, while both binary, are very, very different.

Leona and Maokai are very, very different.

Mundo and Garen are very, very different.

Ezreal and Lucian are the only ones you have a point on, as their niche overlaps, with Lucian being the far stronger of the two. However, that's due to Ezreal not being a dedicated...anything. He's not really an ADC, he's not really a mage. Ezreal just needs a rework into something completely different. The champion isn't "Ezreal." The champion is "The gauntlet Ezreal found." Thematically and kit-wise he needs to be redone.

Ezreal was released where all champions had a point and click ability... his niche was that he was an all skillshot champ but over the years skillshots has become more ad more common and hence no more niche for him.

WoonStruckDec 3, 20151 votes

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Ezreal was released where all champions had a point and click ability... his niche was that he was an all skillshot champ but over the years skillshots has become more ad more common and hence no more niche for him.

Ashe never had a point and click unless you're including a slow being added to her autos. But point still taken. :p

Also, pretty sure Gragas didn't have a point and click. 3 'skillshots' and a self-buff that can be excluded like Ezreal's arcane shift.

But yeah, Ezreal's in dire need of changes.

Mecha MaIphiteDec 3, 20152 votes

Those aren't even close to duplicates. If you want to see champions whose play styles are actually similar, look at Jax Irelia

I7A6X2v2Dec 3, 20152 votes

I don't understand how Diana and Nautilus are identical... same for Ezreal and Lucian , Irelia and XinZhao , Leona and Maokai , DrMundo and Garen ... ARE YOU HIGH?

ParoeDec 3, 20151 votes

"Copies" Someones using a word they just learned!

Packun FlowerDec 3, 20151 votes

Yasuo + Tryndamere ?

YrzenDec 3, 20151 votes

Your examples are pretty terrible. Ezreal and Lucian are probably the closest I guess, but eh, they're fairly distinct.

What comes to mind for me are Lulu and Janna but even that is an absolutely garbage example, as even if they have similar kits, (Q damage with cc attached, a W that slows enemies and speeds up allies, an E shield that increases damage and an ult that heals and disengages in some form) you can't look me in the eye and tell me Janna has the aggression, dueling potential, or single-target ability to save someone that Lulu does or that Lulu has the speed or the ability to influence fights on as large a scale as Janna.

Why on Earth would Riot ever remove any of these champions, ever?

RogueWillDec 3, 20152 votes

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Your examples are pretty terrible. Ezreal and Lucian are probably the closest I guess, but eh, they're fairly distinct.

What comes to mind for me are and but even that is an absolutely garbage example, as even if they have similar kits, (Q damage with cc attached, a W that slows enemies and speeds up allies, an E shield that increases damage and an ult that heals and disengages in some form) you can't look me in the eye and tell me Janna has the aggression, dueling potential, or single-target ability to save someone that Lulu does or that Lulu has the speed or the ability to influence fights on as large a scale as Janna.

Why on Earth would Riot ever remove any of these champions, ever?

a good example wold be old Fiora and MasterYi ;

Rigth now the closest to a duplicate are Sejuani and Amumu

Lemons22Dec 3, 20151 votes

I think the closest thing to a duplicate champion was probably Darius and Garen ...but even then their kits had key differences that made them unique. Garen was mobile, Darius was just...this guy who would fuck you up if he ever caught you. And they're even more different after their reworks. So yeah...there really aren't any duplicate champs in this game tbh.

ExHentaiDec 3, 20151 votes

All Asians look alike whoa deja vu remove them.

DevlinCrowDec 3, 20151 votes

Wat...xD

WeatheredDec 3, 20151 votes

Diana and Nautilus

How? They both have a knock up?

Yasuo + Alistar + Azir + Aatrox + Blitzcrank + Chogath + Gragas + Janna ...

K54Dec 4, 20151 votes

I don't know how many times I said "I" and clarified that the champs play very differently from one another, I simply stated they feel the same. I know this isn't a concept simple people can grasp. You're all like scientist, it's all about what's on paper to you lost souls. I'm talking 6th sense here. I know I'm talking to children, but you have to be able to read deeper.

In Street Fighter, I can literally break down infinitely the mechanical differences between Ryu, Ken and Akuma. Three extremely different fighters all around. None the less, it's clear they came from the same palette. In the Street Fighter universe, it'd be highly disrespectful and noobish to say that we can do without one of them. So I understand the negative feedback from the Lol community when comparing champions that you've all grown attached to.

With respect to the universes, it's just me thinking and I accept your perspectives, what I don't accept is the level of immaturity and childishness. How about we not throw temper tantrums. I treat League of Legends like chess, this is a strategy game, show some class. Leave the crybaby insults to your parents and siblings.

BeatzBoyFTWDec 4, 20152 votes

So you say some pair of champion feels the same in your opinion, and you dare to make a proposal of removing some of them. I also love how you avoided my comment here of me stating how different each pair of champions are to each other, so don't go talk crap about your commenters here being "childish" & "immature" when you can't even state a proper reason yourself.

K54Dec 5, 20151 votes

I clearly said it's obvious they came from the same palette. Normally I would tell you to look it up, but your new generation refuses to educate yourselves even when the sources are in your face. It means, at their base, they're the sun. I'm not going to waste my time breaking them down since you're all being intentionally oblivious. But I will offer this. Of any of the pairs I named, I'll break down 1 example for you. That should give you enough clarity on what I actually meant.

Also, if you weren't a casual gamer, you would have understood the Street Fighter reference. All the real gamers understood. Since it's clear that League is all you play, it's considered a waste of time to humor you, but I'll entertain you anyway because I'm bored. So... your selected pair, please.

BeatzBoyFTWDec 5, 20151 votes

I have already listed tons of examples in my other comment which you tried to avoid, so I'm not proceeding further til you try to counter it for it being "similar".

BluePolarizerDec 5, 20151 votes

hey welcome to real life. if you have extreme ideas, expect them to be challenged. if you call for action based on opinions, expect others to dislike it.

K54Dec 5, 20151 votes

I get bored and the intellectuals in game forums keep me entertained for a few hours. Even though this one is pretty serious, others like my "Nerf the Kraken B****" are purely trolling just so these kids can spill their feelings for me until I find something better to do. A quick glance at my wall will show that 95% of my post are in the wee hours of the morning when there's nothing else to do. Like right now, it's 1am where I'm at. I'm 23, single, I don't drink, smoke or party... might as well converse with other losers. Rather be insulted by these guys than a good looking chick at the club lol

BluePolarizerDec 5, 20151 votes

so my suggestion is to get confidence and sort out real life issues. why do you even care if hot chicks insult you lol? if they don't insult you, what do you get? Nothing. If they insult you what do you lose? Nothing.

K54Dec 5, 20151 votes

When hot chicks insult me, my feelings get hurt, when other losers like me insult me its just like "lool, go look in a mirror loser"

BluePolarizerDec 5, 20151 votes

why do your feelings get hurt? I stopped getting my feelings hurt by rejection in high school. They don't like you? Their loss.

K54Dec 6, 20151 votes

Not just a lost for me, but for all the losers I stand up for when I approach a chick out of my league lol

NarsicusDec 5, 20151 votes

So, let me just get this straight....

You want some champions removed because they are to similar, but in the next sentence say how you and everyone else can point out how 'unique and how extremely different they are'.

Wouldn't logic state that if you and everyone else can easily point out how unique they are then they are not identical?

Just seems like you are kind of undermining your point here.

K54Dec 5, 20151 votes

I also stated how very extremely different mechanically Ryu, Ken and Akuma are. Sure, they all have a hadoken (fireball), shoryuken (uppercut) and tatsumaki (spinning kick). They were all trained by the same master so they all use the same martial arts style, so even their pose and movement are the same.

Outside of that, they're different. If you attempt to play one the same way you play the other, it will backfire horribly. As for their similarities, it makes sense, they come from the same training.

With League of Legends, their backstories are opposite ends of the spectrum different. The only people who should really feel alike based off of background are MasterYi and MonkeyKing . They don't feel anything alike though. But I do think my 2 favorite champs play very much alike in Talon .

If I get you people to stop thinking about irrelevant things like roles, health and functionality, you'll see how the moves list come from the same palette.

PuynsiDec 5, 20151 votes

Yeah duplicates, just like your 2 extra chromosomes.

K54Dec 5, 20151 votes

Reply to BeatzBoyFTW and shallow minded people.

I don't think you (plural) understand what I mean when I say palette, which is most likely the root of your confusion.

A palette, is a base/core/foundation; a starting concept that can be branched into different things.

So, at the base of Diana Nautilus , before you give them a role/personality, their functionality is the same.

I have to go a little more in depth since you (plural) have a problem comprehending this format.

The obvious is Diana's Pale Cascade and Nautilus' Titan's Wrath. Shields with damage output.

Diana's Crescent Strike to Lunar Rush and Nautilus' Depth Charge to Dread Line. When used on an escaping enemy feel the same. Of course after Depth Charge you walk up to the enemy, at which point either one would cast their shields for bonus damage and protection, then you stop their escape with Moon Fall/Dredge Line.

The combo possibilities for having all their abilities activated in less than 4 seconds makes it obvious that they originate from the same creative minds. Just like Ryu and Ken. Yes their roles, how you build them, how you use them are very different. But slight changes to base/growth stats can change that easily.

shadowsaotomeDec 6, 20151 votes

So stripped of all other things except their abilities, you've made the point that yes, Diana and Nautilus can chase down/stick to a target in similar fashion. I can get behind that. However, this hardly supports your argument that the game would be better off with one of them removed and/or reworks for either/both champions. How would League be better served by those actions?

K54Dec 6, 20151 votes

It's not better or worse either way, just my preference. If I had things my way, Shaco wouldn't even exist. I hate everything about him.

Poppy is being reworked, one of my dreams come true. I would also do something about the ults of Kayle, Tryndamere, Kindred. I would re-rework Soraka.

This has nothing to do with improving the game in any way, shape or form, just me being bored and stating my opinion, then laughing at the replies people give.

shadowsaotomeDec 6, 20152 votes

Lol, I can respect that. Have fun!

Pierce The VealDec 6, 20151 votes

You know what two champions have similar gameplay? Akali and Diana. They're still so much different, that they're utterly unique.

K54Dec 6, 20151 votes

I fully agree, but you shouldn't side with me, these people will hate you to.

GigaPubeDec 6, 20151 votes

you want to get rid of champs because they are too similar, ONLY IN YOUR OPINION, to another? get....tfo.....

all 5 examples you listed are also incredibly wrong, which means you're unintelligent and your opinions and most of whatever you call "knowledge" is wrong/false/incorrect/irrational. whats worse is you didnt even mention certain abilities being overused, like gnar/vayne/kindred/xin zhao with their 3 autos = proc something ability, you just flat out allege that ezreal = lucian.....

so embarassing that i have to try to work and strategise with people like you to try to win such a convoluted game that you think you have any semblance of a rational opinion and acceptable playstyle about

you didnt even mention darius and illaoi. and garen having a spin, along with like 5-7 champs having one you didnt compare him to them, you compared him to mundo, whos main ability is chucking shit, which garen absolutely does...not....do....

i have no idea what was going through your head when you made this post, im gonna hope and assume you're either 12 or really drunk or both

K54Dec 6, 20151 votes

Wow, I couldn't help but laugh at this reply, how pathetic is your life? Not even trying to insult you, that's not a rhetorical question, I really want to know.

My name is Keddrick Lamont Johnson II aka K54. You can find me on Facebook by my name "Keddrick Johnson" Clearly you're close to committing suicide, I want to make sure that doesn't happen by being your friend. I mean that sincerely. I can't even begin to fathom that amount of mental trauma you've been through in your life to even be able to think something as indescribable as what you just typed.

I'm serious, add me on Facebook. I'm a nice guy and you need me in your life.

That aside, here's a quote from within this I'm sure you missed.

"I don't think you (plural) understand what I mean when I say palette, which is most likely the root of your confusion.

A palette, is a base/core/foundation; a starting concept that can be branched into different things.

So, at the base of Diana Nautilus , before you give them a role/personality, their functionality is the same.

I have to go a little more in depth since you (plural) have a problem comprehending this format.

The obvious is Diana's Pale Cascade and Nautilus' Titan's Wrath. Shields with damage output.