why is skarner, the crystal vanguard a juggernaut, and sion, the undead juggernaut a vanguard?

Note that in real League, his disintegration ray has no cooldown. How killable he seems now?

I thought he was pansexual :o

Can Blitzcrank and Orianna rust?

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I don't know much about but for Garen he has no sticking power like Darius, he only does damage if you build it or are attacking a villain, Darius does decent damage regardless of his build where he can legitimately pick ramp or burst. Darius has sticking power and minor peel, Darius has team fight sustain, Darius has clean up in ways Garen cannot comprehend, Sion also has these things with variance in strength in comparison.

The Juggernaut as a class has not been consistently defined, Riot did not take changes far enough to reflect the strengths and weaknesses of it. Originally they wanted to slow Garen down but they weren't willing to change his kit to support it so they removed it, so Garen remained mostly the same but is now called a Juggernaut.

As a Juggernaut it feels weird that Garen speeds up with his Q, at what point do you draw the line of immobility? Movespeed is ok because it's shut down by slows? Might as well not even have it then, Sion and Darius' bread and butter doesn't and they do great without it.

Garen doesn't really function like any particular class because his kit is so old (many old champs are in this limbo). What happens if a Camille ults your carry, what is Garen going to do? Darius and Sion can punish that, Garen who's theme of a chivalrous knight/soldier can't do anything meaningful, the irony is tragic because Garen will always have a special place in my roster.

The way I currently define and design Juggernauts is like this:

• Immobile (no displacement, nor movespeed)
• Durability / Sustain
• Sticking power
• High Ramp or Conditional carry damage
• Highly telegraphed
• Short to mid-range telegraphed Utility

I definitely agree champs like have not aged well at all, they have the weaknesses of Juggernauts but not many of their intended strengths.

Singed is not a real Jugg. he is a specialist who class if he ever got one would be called: Fucking Troll. Yorick is definitely a juggernaut. But the whole deal of them having immobile in themes of MS is false for some juggs. Juggs like Garen and Udyr like to run up and beat the crap out of anyone that they see, Darius on the other hand doesn't have sticking power, but he does have better lockdown power than Garen due to his E-W combo.

But since you have already done half of my job, allow me to properly define what a juggernaut champion is:

Juggernaugts are the titans of the rift, capable to dealing colossal amounts of damage while also being hard to kill due to their durability and sustain. Juggernauts are further divided into two groups. Freight trains, who in a burst of speed will charge that their target and chip away of their health at an alarming rate with rapid attacks. And Raid bosses, who lack the means to sprint but are a slow moving beast that will kill nearly anyone that comes too close to them or is out of position.

Traits both share.

• High damage and tankiness
• Sustain of various degrees.
• Predictable.
• Vulnerable to kiting.

Exclusive to Freight trains:

• AA and AS focused (Garen is the exception but he deals rapid damage with his Spin)
• Can gain a burst of MS to mitigate their weakness to kite.
• Most have Decent AoE damage
• Better at engaging/ganking and can even get past the backline if they are lucky.

Exclusive to Raid Bosses:

• Some ranged abilities.
• Some utility. ( , and can peel decently)
• Conditional damage, once they have fulfilled that condition their damage skyrockets.
• Better CC than Freight Trains.

Anyway that is how I would categorize Juggernauts based on my own experience of them.