Major Problem with Dynamic Queue

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I seriously get match against obvious trio, quad, or double duo queue without any obviously party queues on my team when I solo queue in Ranked Dynamic Queue. This is seriously messed up, how am I suppose to rally a bunch of randoms against what is basically a pre-made team? This along with queue times is the reason a lot of people hate Dynamic Queue, and personally how is ranked suppose to be competitive when you get such unfair match ups like this frequently?

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KarmasPolice4 votes

Stop playing ranked. I don't trust the system to put me in fair matches, and neither should you.

People don't understand that solo players are fuel to DQ, and trust me a huge amount of them has already left. The irony here is that its a vicious cycle: Someone gets a bad solo ranked experience->he stops playing->less solo players for the system->even worse matchmaking for solo players->rinse and repeat

PbJMpP4xzk1 votes

and even with your perfect and easy and logical comment thanks to you ... still dynamicQ lovers still lies and brag about how they can win game and how easy and fun dynamicQ is yeah yeah yeah soooo logical.

KarmasPolice1 votes

Why do you think Riot is completely silent? Would you be silent if your new and exciting invention was going as planned? Think about all those facts that were true 5 months ago and are still true now: High Elo is busted, Secondary/Fill roles,queue times are insane even at the mid elos, super unbalanced games(last night a 400 mmr diff between the teams) etc. And those are just the problems that we see, imagine what else is broken and we don't even know. My fear is that this season is doomed, they are going to significantly alter DQ, it just won't happen this season.

FinalFlare1 votes

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Why do you think Riot is completely silent? Would you be silent if your new and exciting invention was going as planned? Think about all those facts that were true 5 months ago and are still true now: High Elo is busted, Secondary/Fill roles,queue times are insane even at the mid elos, super unbalanced games(last night a 400 mmr diff between the teams) etc. And those are just the problems that we see, imagine what else is broken and we don't even know. My fear is that this season is doomed, they are going to significantly alter DQ, it just won't happen this season.

Honestly I wish they would retract Dynamic queue from ranked at least, let them work on it in normals work out the obvious kinks, its way to broken to be remotely viable competitively and makes ranked a joke, sure high elo players can probably deal with it ok but mid to low elo players are subjected to a cluster fuck. It would not be so bad if they actually got it to match similarly groups teams, but when you have and obvious trio or quad against a team that looks like a bunch of randoms you should know that there is a huge problem.

Riot even stated that there are problem that need to be worked on and yet they still leave Dynamic Queue Ranked up subjecting us to a joke of a competitive queue.

KarmasPolice1 votes

What they should have done, is once the problems became apparent, was to immediately pull it and revert to soloq, keep DQ in normals and quietly work on fixing the problems. Now it's too late, most of the playerbase are now used to DQ, reverting it temporarily will be a PR suicide. I don't believe they will do anything this season, i think they will at the very least introduce a Solo MMR for whenever you queue solo in S7, I still can't fucking believe they didn't do so the first time around..it is one of those things that were beyond obvious that they were needed.

Kewlipo2 votes

Sigh. I hate it too.

Protoform X2 votes

I've had good luck so far regarding premades in ranked this season (that I know of), but I've still stopped playing ranked because every month or so Riot releases an enormous amount of changes and it takes me ages to get comfortable enough with those changes to play ranked. At which time something else that's crazy comes out.

FinalFlare2 votes

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I've had good luck so far regarding premades in ranked this season (that I know of), but I've still stopped playing ranked because every month or so Riot releases an enormous amount of changes and it takes me ages to get comfortable enough with those changes to play ranked. At which time something else that's crazy comes out.

Im glad you are not having issues with unfair match-ups, but you do make another point that is more so the balancing issues with this season and last half of season 5.

CoffeeDave1 votes

I stopped playing ranked and it feels pretty good. Everytime I get the urge to queue for ranked I just remember that it's dynamicQ now and I lock into normals.

Fovere1 votes

The same question can be asked in the reverse scenario.

How are you supposed a rally a 3-4x premade who do whatever they want?

FinalFlare1 votes

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The same question can be asked in the reverse scenario.

How are you supposed a rally a 3-4x premade who do whatever they want?

True, but the fact that they are premade normally mean they have the advantage of knowing what the others will and can do and tend to use voice com programs. Generally a 3-4 man should be able to function well on their own assuming similar game knowledge and skill. Assuming equal skill and game knowledge of all 10 players a premade 3 or 4 will have a huge advantage over a team of randoms.

Fovere1 votes

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True, but the fact that they are premade normally mean they have the advantage of knowing what the others will and can do and tend to use voice com programs. Generally a 3-4 man should be able to function well on their own assuming similar game knowledge and skill. Assuming equal skill and game knowledge of all 10 players a premade 3 or 4 will have a huge advantage over a team of randoms.

Common sense would tell you that.

But that's generally not the case in practice.

You can categorize premades into three groups

  1. people who know each other as friends and queue to have fun. may or may not have voice comms.

  2. people who don't know each other, met through other games, and are there to play. may or may not have voice.

  3. people who know each other, are there to play their best with a focus on the game. Always have voice.

These lead to very different patterns of play.

The problem is that, since most people probably don't exclusively queue either solo or in one of those types of premades, there's no may for matchmaking to take it into account. This is why DQ is just bad. There's too much randomness in the system.

So you end up getting pairing with a premade from type 1, but since all premades are created equal you're up against a type 3, and you get slammed. Nothing you can do. Four man dives under your turret while your teammates are giggling over star guardian lux's recall emote.

Next game you get the opposite, your enemy gets slammed. You're just plucking away at the minions in your lane while your team is roaming the map as a 4x leaving a trail of destruction not unlike Sherman's march to the sea.

In a way it is discouraging people to make new friends for ranked, because if you queue with randoms you can go up against a well polished group and get wiped out, which isn't fun and leaves a bad taste.

Zoeeee1 votes

That feed fest though. I get what you mean, it's like hearding cats. I've had bronze 3 vs gold 5s in a SLIVER game for flucks sake. Shorter que times = more unbalanced games. It feels like the system just tries to match 10 random ppl together regardless of how unbalanced the match will be.

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