I don't get why Annie's stun can't have an expiry time.

SkyBlade79·7/15/2016, 12:02:53 AM·57 votes·3,515 views

It's the same idea as Vlad's empowered Q. Give her something like ~~five~~ (read below) seconds to use her stun after spamming her spells. Maybe even slightly decrease her cooldowns to balance for it. That way, she'd actually have some sort of counterplay besides "stay out of her range".

EDIT: Okay. I see a lot of good points in this thread of why it wouldn't work. Let me hit you with some more implementations of this idea.

Make her stacks expire after 15-30 seconds. That way, she can get her stacks off minions in lane, then run in to punish in a teamfight.

The other one, and the one I like most, is make her lose one stack every 5 seconds (scaling up with CDR?) That way, you can't just stay at 3 stacks then e and stun, but you can have a larger window of opportunity to actually use her stun. It would be good with the stun bar under her health bar too.

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SnugglePuggle947/15/2016, 1:18:54 AM23 votes

No. Riot has no plans to incorporate that, because it will break her.

"This is a neat idea, but it has a few issues:

Most other champions with their Ultimates ready already put out the pressure that they could use it at any time This would make roaming or hiding in ambush with Annie a matter of spamming abilities constantly unless the decay time was trivial and it would just get reset in the lane pressure situation."

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3IXxdZwi-mid-year-mage-updates-annie-direction?show=rundown

-This is what Beluga Whale says about a person who asked for her stacks to fall off.

STOP ASKING FOR IT. I'm tired of people complaining about a mage who does what she is supposed to do. Annie is not as frustrating or as broken as say like Zed, Fizz, or others. Just build MR, stay out of her range, and abuse her little mobility.

Battlecast Sona7/15/2016, 1:00:31 AM15 votes

Because she can't actually get her stun up very easily. Vlad's mechanic only "falls off" if you cast Q and don't use crimson rush - Annie's passive stacks when she casts any spell. He has a lot more control over when and where his proc happens, whereas Annie will get it very easily and naturally just from normal laning.

Sightless667/15/2016, 4:12:45 AM11 votes

Because it would make her non-functional outside of lane. Outside of lane, her entire value as an initiator is predicated on the idea of being able to hold a stun for roaming, initiating, or whatever. If she can't have a stun up at the start of a teamfight, then she's usually going to be crap. She needs that initiation power, and we can't completely take it away from her for the sake of making her laning slightly less annoying. It would be absolutely terrible design.

It's the same idea as Vlad's empowered Q.

Vlad does not need his empowered Q to be up at the start of a gank or teamfight in order to meaningfully contribute. Vlad does not need to roam with an empowered Q up. His solution is a bad fit for Annie.

Maybe even slightly decrease her cooldowns to balance for it.

That's not even coming close to balancing for it. Lower cooldowns won't matter unless they're low enough where I can permanently keep the stun up by spamming E (and tying one skill entirely to being spammed so another skill can be used is bad design by itself). You need a mechanism to let her keep her initiation outside of the laning phase. What's your proposal for that?

Supreme Senpai697/15/2016, 4:30:50 AM7 votes

She literally can't CS or attack anything if she wants to keep the stun ready

Edge of Daybreak7/15/2016, 1:59:43 AM7 votes

riot already discussed this topic in the annie thread they made and said why they wont do this so this thread is pointless.

CasterGilgamesh7/15/2016, 2:21:46 AM5 votes

well that would require tons of compensation buffs and would count as a mini rework

Bears eat people7/15/2016, 7:07:00 PM3 votes

You'll destroy her roaming for no reason, she still will be able to flash stun your whole team.

Annie is burst mage and all she can do is flash stun and hope for the best. Outside of burst she's like a melee suicide minion. And she's pretty useless when enemy squishes builds at least one mres item or enemy team has enough tanks to zone her away from adc.

Pika Fox7/15/2016, 7:33:59 PM3 votes

Shes a short ranged caster, you would have to significantly buff her range to compensate for it. Do you really want her to be able to tibbers you from 2-3x the distance she can currently do?

Poske7/15/2016, 7:36:45 PM3 votes

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It's the same idea as Vlad's empowered Q. Give her something like ~~five~~ (read below) seconds to use her stun after spamming her spells. Maybe even slightly decrease her cooldowns to balance for it. That way, she'd actually have some sort of counterplay besides "stay out of her range".

EDIT: Okay. I see a lot of good points in this thread of why it wouldn't work. Let me hit you with some more implementations of this idea.

Make her stacks expire after 15-30 seconds. That way, she can get her stacks off minions in lane, then run in to punish in a teamfight.

The other one, and the one I like most, is make her lose one stack every 5 seconds (scaling up with CDR?) That way, you can't just stay at 3 stacks then e and stun, but you can have a larger window of opportunity to actually use her stun. It would be good with the stun bar under her health bar too.

Last suggestioN would tilt people

Flash > TIBBERS wtf I lost 1 stack I DDINGET GET THE STUN OF ARHAJHSDJFHASDJFAH CANCER FHSDJKFAFK RTIROTA understand?

Miraweave7/15/2016, 11:02:47 PM3 votes

Because either she just occasionally presses E, or she's completely unable to roam effectively.