List champs that you think are currently broken/toxic/unhealthy for the game

Atuko··3 votes·2,140 views

Go. LeeSin Akali Yasuo Shaco Gnar Irelia Malzahar Zed Tryndamere Pantheon Nasus XinZhao Tristana Warwick Lissandra FizzDrMundo The iffy's. : Azir MasterYi If you don't agree with someone's choices then discuss it in a productive manner, we don't need this to be flame central.

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Egyptian Cottonn5 votes

I don't know. I'm going to go with the fire-arm argument and say the champs aren't toxic and the players are toxic.

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Except maybe a kalista ult lol

Sammystorm4 votes

Twitch is pretty toxic

Atuko2 votes

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Stars Shaper2 votes

Yasuo is toxic/broken when you are wood 5

DrMundo XinZhao Pantheon Nasus are not toxic/broken but a pain to deal with if the guy knows what he is doing

Atuko1 votes

Yasuo's kit is toxic, which is why he's toxic, you can change his numbers all you want but his kit is toxic.

And what makes them not toxic, but only a 'pain to deal with?'

Stars Shaper1 votes

his kit is not toxic, but based upon utility and sustained damage which are things you don't see on other assassins and so makes him visioned as out of place.

Because all of them have a fair counterplay and all of their core mechanics can be exploited to thier demise. It might be hard against good players but what you need to do against them is being strategic because they cannot be dealt with all-ins.

J3 e c k e t t1 votes

If you would pay attention to his kit, you would see that his major weakness is poke. About to all in him, poke him with a low damage ability to pop shield first, and then go in. Suppose you're ezreal, and he's low enough for ult to kill him, but he has his wall up. Throw out a q, and he might predict an ult, rather than blocking your ult he blocks your q, and you can finish him when the wall disappears. Yasuo is very easily countered by poke, which you can see in the way that riot desperately tried to cover up that flaw, with his passive, wall, and dash.

Yulen Xoshxius1 votes

I found this curious: Why was Teemo not on the list or Heimdinger if they are the most common ones people call the toxikings?

Atuko1 votes

I actually think Teemo is more annoying than Heimerdinger.

Yulen Xoshxius1 votes

As do I. I don't think he is overpowered, just annoying. Only other annoying one for me is fizz, but other champs seem alright!

karruck1 votes

ya both are definately a pain..i use both in my rotation the dinger is a siege machine and teemo well poison nuff said there but not really op until there kits are done fast games make them innaffective

Yulen Xoshxius1 votes

I agree, I CAN kill them, but I rather not deal with them. XD

Moulin Rouge1 votes

Since when has Lissandra ever been strong? xDD

As for Malz, he can be destroyed if you play a burst mage with CC. (Ahri, Annie)

Kuroi861 votes

Broken: A champion who's kit works in such a way that, if buffed, would run rampant all over SR and dominate the meta until they were heavily nerfed, thus they are kept nerfed until Riot can rework their kit into such a way that they can be made viable without being insane. Darius EvelynnIrelia Olaf Poppy Taric UrgotWarwick Yorick

Toxic: A champion who has elements in their kit that make them unfun to play as, or unfun to play against. Akali Blitzcrank Fiddlesticks Fizz Kalista Kayle LeeSin Riven Shaco Singed Teemo Tristana Veigar Vladimir Yasuo Zilean

Atuko1 votes

Evelynn She could use some buffs in the current meta, tbh. Apparently she's pretty weak right now.

Kayle Do you mean facing her in top lane due to her being ranged? If so then I can see where you're coming from, ranged against melee is always an unfun thing.

Personally I think she's a very versatile champion due to her being able to do pretty much everything.

Kuroi861 votes

I really don't think she can be buffed properly though. My thinking is that if Riot moved her stealth and made it less of a permanent thing, then they could give her so much more burst damage. As it is she's forced into an odd mid game mix of semi-burst and high dps.

As for Kayle, that is part of it, though personally I feel her ult is a bit toxic as well, but that's just my opinion, nothing more.

PhiP1 votes

The only ones I agree with areIrelia Tryndamere Nasus Fizz MasterYi Warwick and Azir. LeeSin is a strong early game pick, but turns into shit late game. That's a risk a LeeSin player takes when he chooses him. I'm surprised you didn't put Leblanc on this list aswell, since she is exactly like a Lee early game. Akali has a horrible early game, and doesn't turn into a threat until she gets two of her main items, along with boots. She also can be countered easily with a pink ward in her shroud. Yasuo is NOT that strong. He takes quite some skill to actually become extremely powerful and hard to fight, but even then, other champions can kick his ass and make sure he cannot come back into the game. Shaco along with LeeSin is a strong early game player, but turns into a shitty champion late game. All he's good for is split pushing or one target focusing. Gnar Can't really give my opinion considering I haven't seen one, or fought one since any changes. Malzahar I can sort of agree with this one, but he is hardly played nowadays, along with the fact that he is boring as hell. Zed is easily countered. Buy yourself a item 3157 or a item 3140 and you'll be fine. If you want to be difficult about not wanting to waste money on either of those items, then grab yourself summoner 1 if you are that desperate. XinZhao Haven't exactly seen him played since everything changed for season 5 so I can't give my opinion. Tristana is absolute shit now. Sure, she may become a late game monster, but that requires at LEAST four of her main items. Alongside that, her early game is absolute shit and champions such as Graves Lucian Vayne Jinx Corki and quite possibly everyone besides Caitlyn can easily dominate her early game and be quite better overall to the team late game. Plus, her only escape isn't even available half the time and can easily be messed up. Lissandra hasn't really been seen by me lately, so like XinZhao my opinion can't really be said. DrMundo goes where he pleases and takes a full build to become unkillable. End the game early, my friend. Irelia and Fizz are extremely broken in my opinion, and are almost impossible to stop once it gets to mid game-late game. Thankfully, they are both getting nerfed soon so I've heard. RIP Irelia ... again MasterYi is just shit. Broken as fuck. Tryndamere He does become pretty broken late game, but it takes awhile to get there and he actually has to have common sense to carry his team. Azir is broken in my opinion as well, but I honestly don't see how they can really fix him. He does take skill as well. Tbh, I think he is one of the champions that takes the most skill as of now. Nasus Get rid of infinite stacking. That's all I say. Warwick Since his nerf, he isn't a definite win anymore, but he is in dire need of a rework.

Champions that I feel are broken as well right now: Veigar Riven and Volibear

Condottiero1 votes

Gnar, Syndra, Lux

Pretty much any character who spams abilities from long range infinitely.

Knight Devout1 votes

Yasuo, the lategame monster - Only problem, once he finishes his first item is already lategame , because of double crit chance. But you know what's the problem with Yasuo? Other melee carries such as Tryndamere and Fiora all have an abilities that gets worse and worse as the game goes by, like Riposte or Tryndamere's healing. But Yasuo, with Windwall and Sweeping blade, stays relevant at all stages of the game.

For Zed, they have to fix Last whisper and make Botrk harder to build: you can't start with the vampiric scepter/cutlass, it removes any skill needed in managing your health pool.

Giovarco1 votes

Akali: she's easy to counter, but his passive is so idiot. She becomes a sustain machine when she gets item 3145. I also think that Riot need to increase the dmg on her ult, but give her 2 dashes because you can't disengage her even if you have a dash and flash. Darius: Just not fun to play against, but he's useless outside the laning phase. Fizz: Trollpole. Leblanc: She can 100-50 you at level 2. As she's an assassin, is supposed to be weak pre-6. Poppy: op mid-late game with her ult, but I don't care because she's underplayed and getting a rework. Singed: I hate proxy-Singed. So annoying to deal with XD Tryndamere: He's toxic if your team hasn't CC. Veigar: He's weak, I know, but I hate that he can insta-stun with that wall. Yorick: Yorick. Zed: He needs some minor nerfs to be balanced.

skippersd1 votes

Holy hell, this will be a wall of text. A big wall of text.

First, some quick notes.

deathoftheflame, clense does nothing to death mark.

Dirty Arab01 : the firearm argument. A rifle could be used for hunting, for target practice, and to kill someone. A full automatic, silenced machine gun on the other hand can still be used as a rifle, but we all know that it won't be. It's just prone to abuse.

Kuroi86: The classification i like to use is: Overtuned: Champions/items that are basicly fine, but their numbers are too high. (ie: Devourer in 4.20) Toxic: Unfun/fustrating to play against. Broken: An ability that breaks the normal flow of the game.

These three are three distinct issues, and you need either toxic or broken AND numerically viable to become a problem. For example,

Blitzcrank is unfun to play against, but he's not broken, since you can pull an amumu/galio/karthus into your team, neither is he numerically strong. Yasuo on the other hand is both fustrating to play against (shield+nearly infinite dashes), AND breaks the flow of the game with his BS wall. While he is numerically weaker (and has a really low win rate), we still hate him. Irelia is not the issue, she is a bit frustrating to play against, and not that broken. The problem is item 3078 makes her numbers go crazy. Poppy is broken as hell (ult) and unfun to play against (ult again + passive), but her numbers are really low, making her a non-issue.

Whom i consider problematic:

Akali ,MasterYi ,Tryndamere ,Katarina ,Fizz . These are the good ol' pubstompers. You need game knowledge, and/or proper teamwork, and most importantly CC to stop them. Out of these guys only fizz and katarina are overtuned, the rest can be easily handled.

While LeeSin and Shaco both have oppressive early games, if you can make it past the early game, their value goes down.

Gnar . Yep, he is an issue.

Lissandra and Karma . I'll be honest. If you think riven is unfair to play against, you never seen a top lane karma/lissandra. While lissandra is a terror because she offers 4 CC in her kit, (slow on Q, snare on W, stun+slow on R), while offering good damage, and decent late-game. Karma on the other hand has an early game that makes lee-sin seem like a wuss. She has everything you don't want to see from a lane opponeit (AoE slow+damage, snare, shield, speedup, heal) and unless you have either nasus (slow+stupid sustain), olaf (cc immune) or irelia (cc reduced+dash+stun+sustain), you simply cannot touch her. Only the fact that she is mana gated during the early game, and has piss-poor scaling keeps her from being a permaban.

karruck1 votes

Karthus ,he might be broken with the exception of his ult which needs a rework I found most of his other skills lacking but his ult is absolutely a pain

HeartlessWytche1 votes

I don't agree with any of the OPs suggestions really. Cept Zed.

Zed, Riven, and Fizz are really strong currently, primarily due to the mana regen changes.

Overall I feel the state of tanks in the game is a little weak, but other than that... shrug

SmokingPuffin1 votes

From your list, I think almost everyone is healthy.

Akali has excessively reliable play patterns. She's actually pretty bad, but good in low elo because reliability is very handy when you're bad and she snowballs well. Shaco is only fun for the Shaco player. Nobody else wants him in the game. Fizz is a tough one. He's super trolly and most players hate facing him, but he is quite high skill cap and has good counterplay if you know where to look. DrMundo is the reason, along with a couple others, that many parts of the itemization and mastery design are broken. Irelia is simply the best of the bruisers, which is of course a way of saying the most broken thing in the game. Is quite fun to play, but her kit badly needs some levers to make her fights not simply a stats fight. Zed is probably the healthiest assassin, which is admittedly a low bar. Main bad thing about him is that his ultimate is absurdly safe and there's just no way to punish a dumb Zed the way you can punish a dumb Akali or Katarina.

My picks for unhealthy champions are pretty different, because I really don't care about power level when discussing game health: Akali Fiora Gangplank Garen Jax Kalista Kassadin Mordekaiser Poppy Quinn Ryze Shyvana Talon Urgot MonkeyKing Veigar Vladimir Yorick

I probably missed a few, but these are the ones that jump out at me. Oh, and Teemo, a thousand times Teemo

Psyturkey1 votes

There's only a few I think are actively bad for the game currently and only because they have very little counter-play. These champions are defined by point and click burst damage and mostly it's a matter of whether or not these champions have the raw stats to kill a target and not based on which player played better.

Notably, in order to be toxic the champion must also be powerful.

-Akali. She's been the queen of no counter play since... forever. Currently she is strong. -Fizz. Most of his damage is point and click. If he is at all ahead his e+q+ignite combo can basically kill a squishy from full. His troll poll also makes him pretty hard to retaliate against.

These are the only two champions I would consider toxic at the moment. Other champions who would make the list if they were more powerful: -Irelia -Kat. -Poppy. -Warwick. -Kyle.

Notably here are champions that are in no way toxic. They MAY be overpowered, but toxic requires a lack of counter play and all of these champions offer counter play: -Zed. -Lee Sin. -Azir. -Gnar. (Notably he represents a systemic problem where range is simply more powerful than not range).

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