Dang, "just dodge the spears" is actually a good argument now

weeaboomer·Mar 1, 2016·2 votes·683 views

Maybe we should start saying that about Lux's E and maybe then, riot will add actual skill to a brain dead ability.

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alasarcherMar 1, 20162 votes

Why is it a problem that its hard to dodge it? Its hard to dodge Xerath W too, Leblancs distortion. What about those targeted abilities? Seriously, just because champion has one ability which isnt that hard to land doesnt mean its broken.

Zero Skill TankMar 1, 20162 votes

See, Eye of destruction has pathetic base damage just for that reason, unless he hits the bulls eye, and that is actually pretty dodgeable.

Lux's E on the other hand has pretty potent base damage, and interacts with her passive, and due to that with thunderlords. It might not kill you, but it basically ensures won lane for her - it's not "ability which isn't that hard to land", it is actually impossible to dodge it without mobility, unless Lux herself messes it up - you can do the maths. Later on, it's guaranteed slow to set up hers, and other skill shots. Again, Eye of destruction can serve the same purpose, but unless it hits easily dodgeable bulls eye, the slow is pathetic.

Distortion is whole different kind of ability that I don't know why you brought up. It is hard-to-impossible to dodge it, yeah, but it has other forms of counterplay, while singularity has exactly 0 for most mages.

HoukagoFapTimeMar 1, 20162 votes

You're not gonna die fron Lux spamming her E because she can't. Unless she's building full mana she can't spam a 130 Mana Cost spell.

Definitely BaitMar 1, 20161 votes

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You're not gonna die fron Lux spamming her E because she can't. Unless she's building full mana she can't spam a 130 Mana Cost spell.

Level 18 base mana is 1130 blue buff gives 56.5 mana every second, morellonomicon makes gives 100% base mana regen, lux has a base mana regen of 19.6 so she is recovering 39.2 mana / 5s. The cooldown of Lucent Singularity is 10s and 4.5 seconds with 45% cdr. Just for easy math I'll say it is 5 seconds. In 5 seconds lux regenerates 282.5 mana with blue buff and 39.2 mana from base regen + morellonomicon.

Without blue buff lux can cast lucent singularity around 9 or 10 times before going completely out of mana. With blue buff she can spam it infinitely for the duration of the buff (2:00 minutes without talents, assuming she's grabbing it every time it spawns that would be a up time of 40%). Those 9 casts just off the base damage of lucent singularity with morellonomicon will do 9(240 + 48) damage or 2,592 hp in damage before mr.

So in theory lux can indeed spam E to kill you and with blue buff she can do it while gaining more mana than she spent.

Oh and that isn't accounting for the autos between each e doing auto damage + 170 + 188 from thunderlords. Considering her base ad is 110 at level 18 that is a extra 468 damage or across 9 procs 4,212 hp. A fully stacked Cho'Gath with Warmogs only has 3,684 hp so in theory if lux is procing her passive off each e she can kill it in 5 casts (23 seconds or so).

Honestly from her base damage on spells and interaction with thunderlords you could probably get away with building morellonomicon or RoA + 1 damage item into full tank and still perform adequately unless the enemy team decides to build tons of mr. It'd be kinda pointless though considering if the enemy is in a position to let you make use of the tank items then you're probably severely mispositioning or misplaying.

HoukagoFapTimeMar 1, 20161 votes

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Level 18 base mana is 1130 blue buff gives 56.5 mana every second, morellonomicon makes gives 100% base mana regen, lux has a base mana regen of 19.6 so she is recovering 39.2 mana / 5s. The cooldown of Lucent Singularity is 10s and 4.5 seconds with 45% cdr. Just for easy math I'll say it is 5 seconds. In 5 seconds lux regenerates 282.5 mana with blue buff and 39.2 mana from base regen + morellonomicon.

Without blue buff lux can cast lucent singularity around 9 or 10 times before going completely out of mana. With blue buff she can spam it infinitely for the duration of the buff (2:00 minutes without talents, assuming she's grabbing it every time it spawns that would be a up time of 40%). Those 9 casts just off the base damage of lucent singularity with morellonomicon will do 9(240 + 48) damage or 2,592 hp in damage before mr.

So in theory lux can indeed spam E to kill you and with blue buff she can do it while gaining more mana than she spent.

Oh and that isn't accounting for the autos between each e doing auto damage + 170 + 188 from thunderlords. Considering her base ad is 110 at level 18 that is a extra 468 damage or across 9 procs 4,212 hp. A fully stacked Cho'Gath with Warmogs only has 3,684 hp so in theory if lux is procing her passive off each e she can kill it in 5 casts (23 seconds or so).

Honestly from her base damage on spells and interaction with thunderlords you could probably get away with building morellonomicon or RoA + 1 damage item into full tank and still perform adequately unless the enemy team decides to build tons of mr. It'd be kinda pointless though considering if the enemy is in a position to let you make use of the tank items then you're probably severely mispositioning or misplaying.

If in late you're sitting there eating her Ess while letting her get into AA range then you're doing something terribly wrong. Even in lane as soon as she tries to AA you, you should punish her for doing so. (especially if you're using champs like Zed,Talon or Syndra).

Definitely BaitMar 1, 20161 votes

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If in late you're sitting there eating her Ess while letting her get into AA range then you're doing something terribly wrong. Even in lane as soon as she tries to AA you, you should punish her for doing so. (especially if you're using champs like Zed,Talon or Syndra).

Your initial argument is that you won't die to lux spamming e because she doesn't have the mana to do so. My reply was showing that it is possible to die from her doing just that.

As for getting in her aa range.. You realize lux has 550 auto range right? She can position to auto you from the same range as a Miss Fortune, Corki, or Ezreal. Of the matchups you listed the only one that can reliably punish lux is talon.

Zed opens himself to a full easy to hit burst combo every time he ults and his ult has a 40 second longer cooldown before cdr. He also will have to burn his escape tool or youmous in order to reliably get within auto range. Just throwing shurikens isn't a reliable enough they put him well within light binding range and will equalize the damage at best unless zed is more fed than the lux.

Syndra is just a straight up skill matchup. Whoever gets the burst combo off first and a early lead in lane wins. Harass wise lux's e tends to be more reliable than syndra's q + w. I mean if you see a syndra pickup her ball or a minion it's pretty easy to guess she's either trying to harass or push the wave. If there are no minions for her to last hit and no logical reason for her to push lane then the majority of the time it's going to be a harass.

Talon pre 6 has a blink and the ability to harass lux while pushing the minion wave. He can easily take advantage of a missed q or e and just outright spank her for it. The only problem is if lux goes full passive he's exposing himself to easy ganks and tower shots. Also after laning phase assuming Lux didn't feed the talon she will provide more to the team (Slow, Cc, Shield) than talon.

The problem with lux is she's overly safe . She can just sit at range and whittle away at you or just wait for a gank. If you do make the mistake of getting hit by her q when she does this then it's a almost sure death or back (Excluding options like blowing a qss or zhonya's to escape the incoming ult).