Making targeted abilities (Pantheon Q, Teemo Q, Cass E, Akali Q, etc.) draw minion aggro. Whoever made this change deserves a raise, now I can play melee matchups vs Ranged undodgable ability poke without wanting to fucking end my life.
Rainfall25 votesNow if only toplaners were viable in the toplane.
Oxyrotten20 votesBaby steps Rainfall, baby steps.
RainbowIcee1 votesdepends on the champ. 
seem to manage
Rainfall1 votesyeah and 
is doing well at top but he is not a champion but the physical form of cancer.
RainbowIcee2 votesi really hate this barrels...
Jofeyy6 votesI HAVE A DREAM
MkShenGreatAgain2 votesHow amazing is it that this is small thing is such a widely enjoyed change when so many things since Keystones haven't been? This game feels like a perfectly pan-seared Filet Mignon covered in dollar-store Ketchup.
H1 H0w are Ya11 votesEnjoy the shitfest of downvotes you are going to get for this
Also I agree
Aatroxs Legacy55 votesWell most of them don't play top lane so they don't understand how fucking amazing this is.
GeminiRune25 votesHonestly I never realized that in the years playing. Usually I just take my ass kicking, lose my turret, and come back mid game. I approve of this change while at the same time restraining myself from being the ranged bully in a matchup.
Tokogawaruf2 votesI almost never top and this still made my day.
Theorex2 votes[deleted]
Sun Wu Ryuumoku9 votes??? it dosnt nerf mages mid... unless u play a point and clic champ like annie
r4ndomkill7 votesand both of the champs he listed had point and click spells that would make them worse now.
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??? it dosnt nerf mages mid... unless u play a point and clic champ like annie
Annie is honestly doing real bad atm so she is likely due for a buff anyways regardless of this change. 48% WR on an easy low skill champ is bad, especially when high skill champs are rocking higher WRs than her ATM. All in all it doesn't hurt the majority of mages so buffing 1 isn't a big deal. It does however make top lane much mroe enjoyable.
It Hertz When IP3 votesShe's annoyingly binary. Whenever I play Annie and somehow fail to stun a target with my opening ability, I usually end up being unable to land a full rotation. If I DO land the stun though, anyone without the defense of a bruiser/tank is almost guaranteed to die and there ain't much they can do about it.
Automated Riven16 votesThe problem comes in for mid lane.
Now every game you'll actually just have an akali who got fed off of a mage. Or a kata that got fed off of a mage.
I agree it was amazing for top laners. But every single mage in the mid lane just got fucked. Xerath is extremely good now.
very few mages have single target abilities. This actually hurts akali and kata more then it hurts other mages.
It Hertz When IP2 votes
Only midlane mages I could think of that have a single target ability that they might use for poke, and only Morg would use hers for poke. Annie's is more for waveclear, and Brand/Cass uses theirs mostly as part of an all-out attack.
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Only midlane mages I could think of that have a single target ability that they might use for poke, and only Morg would use hers for poke. Annie's is more for waveclear, and Brand/Cass uses theirs mostly as part of an all-out attack.
What? This is completely opposite. Wtf? Cassio is gonna use her E to get pressure, but early in the game she will be aaing anyhow so it really doesn't effect her in lane that much. Annie damn well better be using Q for harass otherwise she is fucking bad. And brand wants to fish with his stun to unload his entire kit on you during the lane. But again weaves autos so it doesn't really effect much. Morg is the least likely to use her Q on people because she is always shoved up and she wants to use that combined with black shield to ensure she gets out of ganks alive.
warwiller4 votes4 people like to play mindless hack and charge champions.
Edit: 141 people
Edit: 144 and rising
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NocturnalSheild40 votesHuh? Are you calling the champions that can poke from range at 0 danger to themselves more "skilled"?
Lawl.
PB4UAME5 votesGotta love the ADC mains, and ranged shitters' bias. Only been slowly destroying the game and warping its balance for going on 9 years now. . .
NineTailedMystic23 votesthis melee propaganda is getting out of hand.
Jet Sett3 votesOut of hand? But hands are melee weapons, if it's out of them then the ranged champions are truly taking EVERYTHING! DEATH TO THE RANGED CHAMPIONS!
warwiller1 votesAre y9u calling champions that can harass zero risk? Whereas headlong spam champions are skilled?
Lol
NocturnalSheild6 votesHuh? The fuck are you talking about?
Since when is melee considered "headlong spam champions" and range considered "risky"
Unless thats not what your talking about.
warwiller1 votesIt's not because just because a cahmpion is not zero risk doesn't mean it's risky, it can be anywhere above zero
And people who support this thread likely play headlong spam champions because they're the only champions that are both melee and require you to have no idea how to dodge basic harass to play them
NocturnalSheild4 votesAgain those comments make no fucking sense.
You cant be both melee (meaning you have to charge ranged enemys with skillshots) and not know how to dodge skillshots (and you cant "dodge" ranged auto attacks)
warwiller1 votesYes, you can. If your champion contains enough concentrated cancer to make skillshots irrelevant
Oxyrotten3 votesWhat are you trying to communicate?
warwiller1 votesWhat are the words you had difficulty with?
Oxyrotten3 votesconcentrated cancer making skillshots irrelevant
warwiller1 votesHigh levels of cancer make skillshots irrelevant due to them disrupting the dynamic of combat so that the fight is over in 0.52 seconds
Oxyrotten3 votesBut what does that mean? I get that you think something is cancer, and from your last reply I can derive that it has something to do with burst, but your not articulating your thoughts. High levels of cancer means nothing, cancer is just a slang term for things that are killing the game, but not indicative of anything in particular.
Words man, words.
warwiller1 votesCancer has a very specific meaning. It means something which is so detrimental it is composed of pure annoyance and extreme disorder
Oxyrotten3 votesGreat. You know the definition, which is just a repeat of what I just said anyway. That still does not explain what you mean.
8 replies now, and you still can not elaborate on what your trying to say. Are you trying to say anything at all or is this just some sort of trolling/social experiment?
FutureCreator2 votesHe literally only means 
and treats every melee champion as if he is in a 1v1 situation.
LiranMLG4 votes4 people like to play mindless hack and charge champions.
Did you just call camille unskilled? or teemo more skilled than camille? dude are you fucking insane?
warwiller1 votesYes Yes No
The truth can be hard sometimes
nelogis5 votesyes the truth can be very hard and that is why I have bad news for you bud....
warwiller1 votesThis won't affect what happens in game. It's just a minor annoyance that anyone with a inch of skill can get rid of. No matter how much Riot tries to ruin the game, the true quality will survive
nelogis4 votesoh no i was more implying that "insane" part than anything else really
Oxyrotten2 votesBut this is like the healthiest change Riot has ever made for top. Like ever.
Also I don't know about camille taking skill, but teemos skill cap is shroom placement..
warwiller1 votesBut introducing diversity is healthier then tryharding to handicap any dynamic or natural concept in-game like minion aggression flow
Teemo is an advanced strategist who attacks with high attention in mobility and tags targets precisely. He requires painstaking skill in positioning and evolved hit-an-run tactics.
Camille requires you to headroll on the keyboard
Oxyrotten2 votesBut those skills don't necessarily pertain to teemos singularly. And your only going to get laughed at if you insist teemos requires painstaking skill.
Positioning (even using mobility) is a basic game skill, it isn't necessarily macro but in teemos case it isn't just a micro (it's more of a macro-micro?). And I don't really think you can say he tags targets precisely, his only active combat skill is a point and click.. (discluding using his ult in combat scenarios).
I don't really disagree with your assessment of camille but teemos is a really bad example to use against it. Teemos doesn't even require the entirety of your face on the keyboard to; aa Q aa run away, repeat. All he does is poke and retreat with traps to cover his hit-and-run, that's hardly evolved.
And so far diversity has been a major problem for toplane, and one of the significant reasons toplane is so hard to balance and so far removed from the rest of the game balance.
LiranMLG3 votesYes Yes No
The truth can be hard sometimes
im sorry dude, but i have to disagree with you. I've played both of these champions, like i've played Quinn and i've played kled. from my experience that is Not the case.
warwiller1 votesNot to be prejudiced, but that's because you only play cancer champions
And probably don't play teemo that much (?) and only ap
You will soon realize over half champions are mindless (almost all the new ones)
The truth has been spoke
LiranMLG2 votesNot to be prejudiced, but that's because you only play cancer champions
And probably don't play teemo that much (?) and only ap
You will soon realize over half champions are mindless (almost all the new ones)
The truth has been spoke
you'd be surprised but most of the champions in the game require skill. even teemo, EVERY champion in the game requires skill. And as someone who plays champions at about all skill caps i know. For example of my played champs, both azir and leona require skill. even tho azir requires much more skill leona requires skill too. you can't just call a champion "cancer" or "mindless" since that is not true. there are no mindless champions in league of legends.
warwiller1 votesAll the champions you named are cancer. Except Teemo. And I can, because Azir is supposed to be a distance threat but Riot decided to go over any thoughtful complement to this and just add a dash and a huge all-stopping wall, and Leona is basically cc, or cc, or defend without any more addition but the most minimal. Contrary to what Riot seems to have developed as an alternative to creative gameplay, intelligent champions require a strong concept that achieves an individual of high character with COMPLEXITY and LAYERS and a varied and precise realization of this concept in application of it through capturing each value of the character in an ability and allowing the ability to define the value effectively. And Azir and Leona only require skill now because they have been surpassed by the cancer of greater mindless champions.
LiranMLG2 votesAll the champions you named are cancer. Except Teemo. And I can, because Azir is supposed to be a distance threat but Riot decided to go over any thoughtful complement to this and just add a dash and a huge all-stopping wall, and Leona is basically cc, or cc, or defend without any more addition but the most minimal. Contrary to what Riot seems to have developed as an alternative to creative gameplay, intelligent champions require a strong concept that achieves an individual of high character with COMPLEXITY and LAYERS and a varied and precise realization of this concept in application of it through capturing each value of the character in an ability and allowing the ability to define the value well. And Azir and Leona only require skill now because they have been surpassed by the cancer of greater mindless champions.
Im trying to figure out if this is bait or not. almost everything you said here is wrong if azir gets close, he melts. and altough leona is very similar to what you said. you still gotta think about what if you go in while your adc is getting fucked by an assasin. you can't just call every champion cancer but the champions you play. just because dealing with them is hard for you doesnt make them cancer. every champion has a counter and the champions he counters. Just because your champion pool is incredibly limited doesn't mean you know what is cancer and what is not. ill say it again. The only (maybe) cancer champion in league is maybe zoe, and she has counterplay too. think before you say.