Stop allowing junglers to gank level 3 with full heath at the 2:25 minute mark.

Aatroxs Legacy·Feb 13, 2018·16 votes·1,158 views

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CEXYFeb 13, 20187 votes

ward better, follow your jungler's pathing to help determine their jungler's pathing, and stop getting caught out.

Aatroxs LegacyFeb 13, 20182 votes

I shouldn't have to worry about getting ganked that early, better yet, they should just remove the role entirely. Season 1 was so much fucking better.

EschetonFeb 13, 20182 votes

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ward better, follow your jungler's pathing to help determine their jungler's pathing, and stop getting caught out.

Ward better? Mid has 1 ward, jungler can come from both directions. Top probably needed to ward the buff to avoid an invade. Botlane support warded the bush to manage poke and lane control better. The jungler warded river bush to avoid getting invaded. The adc...

Ok, so the adc could maybe ward the river bush. If they can do so safely( remember, if the jungler is there they are likely dead) and the state of the lane allows it. And they didn't ward the second bush (or first bush because wards last only a minute).

ForFoxSakesFeb 13, 20183 votes

You should know which side to ward based on which side the jungler starts on if you're mid. OP is complaining from top lane where you basically have 1 priority spot to ward

EschetonFeb 13, 20183 votes

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You should know which side to ward based on which side the jungler starts on if you're mid. OP is complaining from top lane where you basically have 1 priority spot to ward

And if walldashes and hexflash weren't a thing on top of other inventive jungle paths that ignore those likely ward spots I'd agree with you.

But I'll reiterate the need to ward topside jungle and thus losing access to your ward for a while.

Sire HippingtonFeb 14, 20181 votes

there are 3, on champs like Reksai even 4 gankpaths for top, and the ward only has a 33% uptime

PurgëFeb 13, 20181 votes

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ward better, follow your jungler's pathing to help determine their jungler's pathing, and stop getting caught out.

XD yea sure i will ward my lane when i reach it

Crede777Feb 13, 20182 votes

Ok, I'm an early/mid game top laner versus a Nasus. It's the 2:30 mark and the enemy jungler started bot side. But I really don't want Nasus to be able to farm Q stacks especially this early so I need to harass.

What do I do?

TheWoollyMammothFeb 13, 20181 votes

Is it a early ganking jungler? Lee, J4, Poppy, Kha. get a ward in the edge of tri before 2:30. 2:30 roles around. that gives you vision in a spot most junglers will walk through on their way to you. and a path to escape should he come up from behind. Kill your opponent if you can. If you cant manipulate the minion wave to be in your favor. also remember. Your jungler is also up at 2:30. He is a mobile ward. If he is done his camps. odds are the enemy jungler is as well. If he is walking up to your top lane to try and find a gank in a nice frozen lane. odds are. so is the enemy jungler. You are now 2 early game powerhouses. vs 1 and susan. If the enemy jungler is a farm type jungle or yi. force the enemy wave to push to you. and kill the laner.

Crede777Feb 13, 20181 votes

I just ask because I mid main at an ok level and whenever I have to play top versus a hypercarry top laner whose style revolves around "get shut down early but scale hard" I tend to find the enemy jungler camping my lane.

I don't die, but it forces me off the minion wave. Then the question is "why is there a 300 stack Nasus at 20 minutes?"

I wish there was another response than "their jungler prioritized babysitting top and you didn't, Mr. Jungler."

In this way, lane phase is dictated by the choices of the enemy jungler and my jungler rather than the choices of enemy top and me as top. The only choice I have is either attempt to escape a 2v1 or let him farm.

TheWoollyMammothFeb 14, 20181 votes

As A jungle main.

I will babysit nasus because he is useless to me if he falls behind. And I expect the enemy jungler to camp. I like to play like a roaming support though. I never want to take kills, I give them to teammates. This being said. There is significantly less risk in ganking top and mid as an early jungle, then screwing up a gank into bot and feeding the adc even one kill.

As a sion main. I actually generally tell my dear nasus to break out the lube, and get a pillow. Cause im probly gonna be farming as much as possible to reach 6. I will not gank his lane unless I am nearby and will be sure to save his life, or get a kill. My priority to is get cinderhulk and steamroll into bot lane with my ult. I don't care how well my top does, I dont care how well my mid does. Because building tank support sion jungle. If I get my bot lane ahead, NOBODY will be able to kill my carry again.

Ofc I'll gank lanes. But its not like a level 3 scaling jungler is going to sit top non-stop unless you are already losing and are free gold, we got better shit to do. jungles to invade. Junglers to avoid, and if I know the enemy jungler will be camping top. I OWN the bot side jungle.

But if you tp into lane. I am going to take the first chance I can. To FORCE you to go back or die, cause that gives my laner one hell of an edge.

Attticus FinchFeb 14, 20181 votes

Accept that "stop Nasus from getting stacks" is a meme-you'll never stop a good Nasus from stacking- and either roam and get other lanes ahead to finish the game early or figure out a way to stall past the mid game so that Basis can fall off.

ForFoxSakesFeb 13, 20185 votes

You can pretty much tell where the jungler is giong be strictly by which side they received the leash. Your own damn fault if their super early gank actually works

Aatroxs LegacyFeb 13, 20183 votes

Well i'm an aggressive top laner who has a really good level 2 power spike, can't play the fucking champion where his spike persists if the fucking enemy jungler is there to shove a dick down my throat every single game.

KaiokoFeb 13, 20181 votes

The junglers that are able to do that and gank well are early game junglers... Guess what... that time is their powerspike as well and they have the exact same argument you do.

ForFoxSakesFeb 13, 20182 votes

Are you complaining about https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2718018727/239822686?tab=overview ?

Where Lee and Panth both are 2 of the strongest early game champs and you wanted to all in then upset you lost?? Aatrox isn't even that strong early when he's auto attack based while the 2 you faced are burst casters. If you saw bot side leashing for a Lee you should know 95% of the time he's going to be rushing to 3 then ganking top or mid

Aatroxs LegacyFeb 13, 20181 votes

Happens every game (:

Sun Wu RyuumokuFeb 14, 20181 votes

As Aatrox u'll outscale Panth... and easly be able to 1v2 lee and panth. Why don't u just wait a bit ??

PEEWEE78368Feb 13, 20182 votes

Lol what.. THATS THE POINT OF A JGER i do it al lthe time..

TheWoollyMammothFeb 13, 20182 votes

Remove the ability for an entire class to do their job, so that you could avoid learning the jungler timings and routes better in order to avoid ganks. I'm SURE this is a great idea. Hey, quick question. You wouldn't happen to be on riots current balance team would you? That would explain a lot of things.

Next up you will tell me that riot should stop letting tanks build full armor with AA slows. Because it makes lane boring for you.

RexxieeFeb 13, 20181 votes

+1 down with the jungle early game oppression.

xdeviltwinkiexFeb 13, 20181 votes

How about ward and not play aggressive if you notice that your lane opponent leashed for the jungler.

RenownedWheat42Feb 13, 20181 votes

You know where they're gonna be based on where they're getting a leash. You KNOW they're coming to lvl 3 gank, and if you're complaining about it like this then you're choosing to keep making yourself vulnerable.

You can easily prevent this by not allowing yourself to be a prime fuckin' target for a gank and instead making your opponent one.

If both jg are leashed bot lane, then it's highly likely they'll both make a similar attempt top/mid. If you're pushing in your jg can't help, but the enemy can gank the fuck outta you. So maybe apply that logic on the opposite end? Let your jg come be the one to gank your enemy instead.