so assassins will no longer kill ppl in 0.5 seconds

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except that annie has range, where assassins dont. range gives her safety and reliability. in lane it means she doesnt have to run up to a minion and put herself close to her opponent to cs. in teamfights she has larger freedom of positioning while unloading her burst and doesnt have to sit on top of her target in reach of the enemy tank or support.

assassin mobility is the tradeoff for being melee ranged. why do people tend to forget that auto attack and spell range is a huge fucking deal? its not just slapped onto these champions for flavour.

why do you think yasuo has so much mobility in his kit? because he is a carry who doesnt have ranged auto attacks like marksmen, and high mobility is his mechanism to constantly reposition to be able to carry.

op has a good point.

Very sure we have more then one 'melee AD carry' type champion that exists at the moment, such as Fiora who just like Yasuo (IS A FIGHTER/ASSASSIN), yet doesnt have as much ridiculous utility for defensive measures, except her vital system whenever she hits a target's vital side, lets her gain move speed, heal slightly, in addition to other things, and her Riptose counter which is a .75 second window to negate damage and stun the first enemy champion she hits with riptose if she was hit by CC during it (which she would negate it), very least such a move ain't as directionally and team fight powerful and has some 'heavy' requirements for the stun to trip on a enemy champion).

Even if Fiora can self gain short burst of move speed by vital strikes and can even Q lunge at targets and gain a 60% reduction on the cooldown when she strikes a target, it still isn't as powerful in mobility, nor does she have a 'long range gag' like how Yasuo does with his Tornado that can freely let him set up his ultimate massacre and easily finish it. Fiora on the other hand for her ultimate requires her to make proper use of dancing around the target to hit all the marks (making especially good use of the Q lunge to gain the move speed and proc multiple stacks for the major damage bonus) or even the slow on her E to grant her the movement gap to finish it.

If a 'Assassin' or Assassin sub type champion is suppose to suffer from range issues, then Yasuo already negates that with statikk shiv auto crit spamming in laning matches and his tornado which has a long travel distance which from what i can tell based on how far it goes, is 'pretty far' for an 'Assassin'. Plus once again, he is literally one of the few fighter or Assassin (unless someone else wants to point one out that eats up Critical hit power strongly) champions who builds Critical hit intentionally because his kit soaks up what it brings insanely strong(since most fighters and assassins would opp for AD and penetration items and only build things like phantom dancer for its % movement speed bonus or attack speed to let them out trade, chase or escape much easier in fights).

NEVER use Yasuo to justify facts, unless its how a overloaded utility kit makes the stat 'weakness' on a champion effectively moot and he still destroys champions in mid lane, he works in top lane except against champions with the kits that can counter his kit and most mid lane champions are ones who can't match well against yasuo because his passive makes it hard for single shot pokes(and combo poking will get screwed since he'll just dash out of the way after wind shield took the first one and laning phase is not a good time to burn mana for combo rolling out if you don't build mana or measures to recover mana back), he can disrupt flash trade in with his wind wall to disengage him or if say a Volibear or Swain manages to throw him, he can then just E 'them' to run back under the turret thanks to the dash distance the E provides.

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Lets not even mention the fact that 'Tank' Yasuo lets him pretty much do the same, completely ignore his double crit PASSIVE and lets him be even more hard to kill with the combination of 'mobility' and beefie'ness that just turns a fight just as hopeless, when Tank Ekko first appeared and the nerf adjustments weren't in place yet for Ekko. Plus can still destroy you with his kit, due to those utilities that he is still using.

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The thing is, if assassins killing you in no time is "unhealthy" or frustrating, how about (burst) mages? They are ranged and have cc while assassins have mobility, but their burst is pretty much the same.

A good deal of 'burst' mages have to skill shot or have to set up things to do such maneuvers but they can easily be ruined by Magic Resist building, Shields, etc. Not many mages i recall have the ability to use one ability and instantly one shot a target, (Annie has to usually get 4 stacks for stun proc to use tibbers bomb and then throw in a Q and if she is close enough, a W for extra measure. Which is at least give an indication you should keep your distance or be ready to time any defensive measure you have to mitigate the damage if she flashes on you, Karma has to empower her blast field first, Lux usually has to Root you with Q first to get enough of a window for E or even to have R even hit a enemy, Morganna needs to Q you to then screw you with her damage field, etc.).

Problem with a good deal of Assassins is when they ham you, they can usually do it instantly or secretly (Le blanc burst for the former and Twitch stealth in for the latter) to utterly ruin you if you had no 'notice' to react to against them blasting you. Just like any 'standard' Assassin going after some'one, they aren't running up to you or charging a laser, they have to be sneaky when they are going to strike you and it usually can end up with the one being 'attacked' usually the opportunity to retaliate such as grabbing a nearby weapon to fight back. Unlike someone wheeling a catapult to a nearby mountain and then launching a massive bomb straight on top of your house and making it explode... :/

Assassins should only be able to burst you i they get the surprise on ya, if they don't then they should have a dis'advantage in a fight.

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you do know that post was a joke right? you know cuz assassins vs imobile mage.........

YOU KILLED IT!!!!