Udyr and Xin Zhao

So I would like to address two champions - udyr and xin zhao, I feel like both of them must get past 20 min to reach their OP form, but before 20 min it's all about farming up and getting gold to reach the two-item spike for both udder and xin zhao for xin zhao sated is required for the spike, thus a counter would be to pick an early-game jungle like lee-sin or elise to pressure lanes and get kills early and snowball normally, however, both of these junglers have gotten so op that they can carry a team of feeders who are negative if they are alive past 30 min - I personally don't like udyr, but I've seen how op he is cuz of his massive movement speed and tackiness + damage, and then there's xin who can faceroll everyone , who needs an escape when u can just kill right lmao. I played xin in the game above, I'd like to say xin is really op in low elo, and not that op in high elo due to people knowing how to peel and sht.

I'd like to mainly advocate this thread about udyr though cause no other threads are saying udyr is op when he really is lmao.