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An improvement of junglers' health and mana regen system

Velkozito·4/11/2017, 4:13:21 PM·5 votes·1,192 views

EDIT : THIS IS THE LINK TO THE NEW DISCUSSION ABOUT JUNGLERS DPS AND REGEN, BASED ON THIS FIRST TRY : https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/uUY1INMv-delete-talisman-change-machete-to-balance-dps-and-regen-for-all-junglers

Greetings summoners,

I have an idea about Hunter's Machete and Hunter's Talisman, and their whole health / mana regen system.

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Current Hunter's Machete :

  • 10% Life Steal vs Monsters Unique Passive - Nail : Basic attacks deal 25 bonus damage on hit vs monsters. Killing monsters grant special bonus experience

My idea :

  • No Life Steal Unique passive - Fighter's rest : restore 10% of physical damage dealt to monsters as health and 5% as mana. Unique Passive - Nail : Basic attacks deal 25 bonus damage on hit vs monsters. Killing monsters grant special bonus experience (unchanged).

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Current Hunter's Talisman :

  • 150% Base Mana Regen while in jungle Unique Passive - Tooth : Damaging a monster with a spell or attack steals 25 health over 5 seconds. Killing monsters grant special bonus experience.

My idea :

  • No Bonus Mana Regen Unique passive - Mage's rest : restore 10% of magic damage dealt to monsters as health and 5% as mana. Unique Passive - Tooth : Damaging a monster with a spell deals 40 damage over 5 seconds. Killing monsters grant special bonus experience.

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Current :

  • 10% Life Steal vs Monsters
  • 180% Base Mana Regen while in jungle Unique Passive - Tooth / Nail : Basic attacks deal 25 bonus damage vs monsters. Damaging a monster with a spell or attack steals 30 health over 5 seconds. Killing monsters grant special bonus experience.

My idea :

  • No Life Steal
  • No Bonus Mana Regen Unique Passive - Jungler's rest : restore 10% of total damage dealt to monsters as health and 5% as mana. Unique Passive - Tooth / Nail : Basic attacks deal 25 bonus damage vs monsters. Damaging a monster with a spell deals 40 damage over 5 seconds.

If you remember season 4 you'll see that this idea comes from the "Butcher" passive from the Spirit Stone.

ANTICIPATED Q&A :

=> Why the 25 -> 40 damage per 5 seconds buff ?

Because it is no longer a steal of health, but just damage, so a little buff doesn't seem too exagerated :

  • Example : a level 1 jungler with 0.7 attack speed would get 25 (on-hit bonus damage) x 0,7 (attack speed) = 17,5 bonus damage per second (on one target) from a Machete, while he would get 8 bonus damage per second (on every monster he would have hit with a spell) from a Talisman.

=> Why ?

  • The current system (10% lifesteal and 30 health steal over 5 seconds) is very bad for ap junglers, even for tanks sometimes. With my idea, when a jungler (no matter his characteristics) would kill a camp, he would regen exactly 10% of the camp's health, and nothing else. It wouldn't matter if his dps is based on auto attacks or not.

  • As a jungle main I must say I am not satisfied with the jungle starters, in some cases i find having to choose between dps and mana regen to be pretty annoying

  • Jungler would depend a bit less on blue and midlaners would be happy

  • It would allow junglers to not buy an enchantment or even a smite upgrade, because the health and mana regen would already be provided by their starting item. League is a game where you must be able to choose what to build, and although the enchantment and smite upgrade system is great, some champions are just not intersted in warrior, bloodrazor, cinderhulk and runic echoes, and if they can just build a Machete or a Talisman and then be free to buy whatever they want, then it's all for the best !

=> What is love ?

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Thanks for reading, this is my first post ever, hope you liked it :D

15 Comments

YoungSirJ0ey4/11/2017, 7:38:08 PM3 votes

Let's not. First of all, this would kill Eve jungle, and subsequently Eve entirely, as it would remove her ability to first clear even slightly. At least Fiddle is still semi-viable in lanes.

Of course, that's not the most convincing argument, given that Eve's rework is like 2 months out. So here's another one: This change would heavily favor AD junglers, who already dominate the role over AP ones. Why? AD junglers, who would take Machete, would heal from both their autoattacks and spells, whereas AP junglers would only heal off spells. You're severely underestimating the amount both types rely on autoattack weaving on their first clears.

Another thing is that you don't seem to have made this work like spell vamp, i.e. reduced effectiveness for AoE. If this were to not work like spell vamp, basically every current meta jungler would get Graves level clear health.

Here are some ideas. Instead of making it work like spell vamp, you could put a limit on health/mana restoration per spell. For Talisman, you could just make its passive apply to autoattacks and magic damage.

Spârky4/11/2017, 5:56:15 PM2 votes

Im not gonna lie jg is normally my secondary but i do like this change it would give a small bump to the weaker junglers like kindred for example who i love to play. This could be a small buff that would help their early clear so much

121E1V4/11/2017, 5:13:43 PM1 votes

item 1041

Current Hunter's Machete :

  • 10% Life Steal vs Monsters Unique Passive - Nail : Basic attacks deal 25 bonus damage on hit vs monsters. Killing monsters grant special bonus experience

My idea :

  • No Life Steal Unique passive - Fighter's rest : restore 10% of physical damage dealt to monsters as health and 5% as mana. Unique Passive - Nail : Basic attacks deal 25 bonus damage on hit vs monsters. Killing monsters grant special bonus experience (unchanged).

but .... that's still lifesteal?

69469238DEL14/11/2017, 6:33:16 PM1 votes

Meh

Velkozito4/12/2017, 12:01:26 PM1 votes

HERE IS THE LINK TO THE NEW DISCUSSION ABOUT JUNGLERS DPS AND REGEN, BASED ON THIS FIRST TRY : https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/uUY1INMv-delete-talisman-change-machete-to-balance-dps-and-regen-for-all-junglers