Veigar's actual place in the meta. (Not asking for buffs)

Flay and Pray·7/19/2015, 8:36:36 AM·6 votes·1,273 views

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I'm here to talk about my favorite champion, mostly because of all of the posts showing up begging for buffs. Most of these discussions are pointed towards his E. In this post I'm going to try to be short and to the point on why Veigar's E is not his problem, it's his identity.

His Stun This ability, despite popular belief, is still almost as strong as the old stun. These changes have shifted him towards the Zone Control type mage instead of instant burst, which I feel is a healthy and just change. Balance wise his W is more of a liability than his stun. However the root of Veigar's problems lies in the fundamentals of his kit as a whole.

The actual problem Veigar is currently walking a thin line between two categories, a zone control mage or a burst mage. That thin line has been the core of his balancing issues, and where Riot is encountering their problem. A zone control mage doesn't do well without a large cc, but a burst mage needs a nuke. These two powerful attributes come together to create the curious case of Veigar. This is the core of his problems, and is hard to fix without a rework. I think Rito is leaning towards a more Zone Control type kit for him. This would probably mean a rework to his ultimate, and ability interactions with his E. His abilities have to have delays since they are so strong, sadly all of the champions he counters (immobile mages) all have a longer range than him. This requires the enemy to make a mistake for Veigar to do anything. Allied assistance is required to do anything above that which gives no reason to play Veigar over champions that can do his job alone, more reliably and without help.

Current Place In the Meta As someone that plays Veigar quite a bit, I will say he is quite viable right now. The problem is there is no reason to play him over other Zone Control/Burst mages such as Annie Viktor or Syndra (even though she's not in a great spot at the moment). Sadly, the tank meta is a little rough to champions like Veigar and when they shift out, assassin's shift in. Veigar is best picked against immobile AP mages such as Viktor or Xerath but their range advantage entirely relies on the enemy to make a mistake for Veigar to do anything about it. You can still do well with Veigar if you know how to play him, but other than finding him fun there sadly isn't a reason to picking him over anyone else.

i guess what I'm trying to say is, Veigar doesn't need buffs to his current kit, his fundamentals and identity as a whole just need to be solidified. While I will miss old Veigar i know Riot can make something even more amazing that shows his true power. Maybe if we see a rework we can get a full VU as well! (God I hope so).

Hope you all have a wonderful day and good luck on the rift!

13 Comments

Sukishoo7/20/2015, 4:52:14 AM3 votes
Bârd7/20/2015, 5:43:00 AM2 votes

dat pic is too cute

CasterGilgamesh7/19/2015, 12:38:42 PM1 votes

well then he needs buffs to his spell range and nerfs to his spell damage since if they want him to be a zone control he needs more range my biggest problem with veigar is that more of the other mages i can beat just out range me that not even flash can help like it does for annie

X8ViEhkPS07/19/2015, 1:24:03 PM1 votes

Well I would like to believe that. But on the patch they gave Veigar all of his changes they called him, "The quintessential burst mage."

lB2kGRlc8y7/19/2015, 8:47:15 AM1 votes

That's the problem alright, but Zone control is what made him a decent support bot lane, so if Riot shifts him towards that, they're being inconsistent as he was nerfed for his support capabilities.

Very Hard Engage7/19/2015, 1:38:10 PM1 votes

he still cant defend himself in any way shape or form, forcing him to towerhug, with instant stun he could play aggressively and have a double edge sword, either he misses and dies to the gank, or he could get out safely, now hes FORCED into a safety stay as far back as possible playstyle. that ruined everything.

also "opponent stands behind minions" "veigar cant Q me at all, GGGGGG just won lane" (he can either shove the wave and hope to hit the enemy if minions hit boxes aren't too close together((begging for ganks and for enemy jungler to just outright camp), or he can let the opponent push in and he misses tons of CS because of his terrible early game waveclearing)

A Miss Fortune7/20/2015, 4:50:42 AM1 votes

He's a really strong pick up against people like Cassiopeia or Viktor who naturally have higher AP than most other champions, in general he's just really good against teams with noticeably high amounts of AP due to his ultimate. It's kind of annoying to just be simply one-shot by Veigar's ultimate alone with 0 counterplay.

Earl Eulrich7/19/2015, 1:33:29 PM1 votes

he´s still a good support if given the chance (did you know his stuncircle stops anyone that grabs a thresh-lantern midair on the ride?)...

3tyson7/19/2015, 10:38:11 AM1 votes

I feel like whe evrr i got myitem 1321 i can walk into veigars stun safely idk if its veigars reaction time thats to slow or his spells but even when stunned im long gone before his abilities finaly hit me

it could verry wel be that iv just met some bad veigars Inb4 u just want him buffed i dont play veigar i just feel like ever since the stun nerv hes really nit that hard to deal with

on the other hand before the nerv all he had to do is have his team ppush wave wait for the enemy to defend tower put circle of death around the tower and win teamfight take objective and repeat