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If your going to make Veigars E based around caging people.....

Flay and Pray·2/27/2015, 12:37:29 AM·244 votes·8,524 views

Why not actually make his kit designed around using the walls to enhance his abilities? Since the walls are delayed now, trapping someone inside of it should make enemies actually afraid. This would fit his character style of "I was tortured in isolation in Noxus prison for YEARS, now you will feel the pain and suffering I endured!"

Q- If sent through one of event horizons walls it pierces through ALL targets

W- If cast inside event horizons walls it's fall time is reduced to .5 seconds

R- If cast inside event horizons walls it shreds the targets MR

Of course, these are just some ideas for what the abilities enhancements could do. I'm interested in what you guys could come up with for this.

Edit: An idea by Protonic: His ult could "supercharge" the E, causing it to have a echo like effect, that could either damage enemies in the center, or put a static effect on them.

Edit 2: Idea from Verandure: His ult could cause an AOE explosion when cast inside of event horizon. The explosion would be so huge and downright awesome that it would destroy the walls of event horizon. I dont know about you, but I think a ball of pure energy strong enough to turn a beings own power into negative energy and erase them from existance, should have a reaction with a condensed form of the edges of space and time.

126 Comments

j j2/27/2015, 1:47:41 AM22 votes

Whenever I vs veigars I apologize on riot's behalf.

2bboy472/27/2015, 12:59:18 AM13 votes

I definitely like the concept. I HATE what they did to veigar, and think the changes that were made gave him much too counterplay, and this is from a nonbaised perspective because I don't even play him. I think they could change him with this, and it still keep him balanced.

Mr Wright II2/27/2015, 1:58:54 AM7 votes

Holy shit a good idea(not sarcastic i mean it) but of course, like rito always does, they'll see a good idea like this, and then ignore it 100% and make it worse

ForPortal2/27/2015, 2:02:05 AM5 votes

This is a very nice idea that fits the character. I wouldn't go with the R, but having two abilities that get stronger when used against a captive audience would be a nice touch.

Protonic2/27/2015, 2:06:07 AM5 votes

I actually really like this interaction idea.

Seems sensible too, though I would steer away from MR shred.

As an alternative, what could possibly happen instead is a blanket effect, something similar that happens for all the abilities.

In example, abilities passing through the Event Horizon would cause an additional weaker secondary effect, like a small damaging echo, or perhaps charging the Event Horizon to affect the middle portion in some other way, like perhaps even a slow or such.

Gunpoint2/27/2015, 2:56:40 PM4 votes

Make it so inside the walls is a silence field much like Soraka's. Edit: So at least when you land it they don't just dash or flash right out

LXII2/27/2015, 12:41:41 AM4 votes

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that it's because he already 1 shots everybody mid to late game. Any buff would make him so strong the counterplay would be non-existent.

MunchMeister2/27/2015, 3:06:31 AM3 votes

A cage is meaningless if it can't trap, and the delay is long enough that enemies can easily escape. Something on the level of J4's ult is too much for a basic ability though. But still, his cage needs to be able to trap enemies better.

Some suggested a cage that shrinks over time, some suggested slow inside. I wouldn't make it too much like Viktor's Gravity Field, but Veigar needs something that actually fulfills the torture cage.

MrBuffington2/27/2015, 3:49:14 AM3 votes

This is awesome. I actually had the idea while he was on PBE to make his 'cage' feel more like a 'cage', where champions inside his E have reduced vision range, but it might also be cool to have it be an actual cage, like, J4's cataclysm but one that you can't dash out (like how you can't dash over Azir's ult) or attack from (blocks projectiles like windwall). This is probably a stupidly broken idea, but I like where you're headed with the 'cage' idea, also the enhanced abilities.

Critkeeper2/27/2015, 4:51:46 AM3 votes

I have some devilish ideas:

When he casts q inside event horizon, it just bounces around off the walls and there is no limit to the number of targets it can pass through.

When he casts e inside event horizon the cooldown is refreshed the instant it lands if it damaged no enemy champions. ( it lasts 3 seconds, and dark matter has a 1.25 second delay so he can do at most 3 times )

When he casts r inside the event horizon, it bounces to the closest enemy if the enemy it hit is killed by it.

Basically make people's anus pucker from the sheer sense of terror and make them run around like little cockroaches with their heads cut off trying to avoid all the skill shots and bouncing shit.

Lovely Pants2/27/2015, 4:54:10 AM3 votes

As a foreword to my contribution, I have not played Veigar in the past or present in a competitive environment. I've no emotional connection with the champion. He's always just been there and I was never interested in what he had to offer.

That said, I think this interaction is a nice idea. I actually kind of like the general concept behind the changes made to Veigar in the last patch, but I do feel the abilities lack any sense of optimal combinations in any given scenario due to how the casting of his w and e line up and it is far too easy for the enemy to stack risk against Veigar. I feel like now is the perfect time to amp up a more interesting feel for Veigar's abilities, if the old playstyle must go (and it seems it must, so no sense arguing about that.)

I'm wary about the Q suggestion, as the best/worst case scenarios might be too vastly different too create healthy balance.

On your R, I'm never really a fan of MR or Armor shred either, but especially not on a bursty champion. Generally feel it would be better to just add more damage if you want to do that.

I like the idea of the W change the most. As an alternative, maybe very slightly reducing the radius of the cage and making the W aoe expand to entirely fill the cage if cast inside could be a fun combination. My reasoning for this suggestion is it still leaves plenty of opportunity for enemies to react from inside the cage, but forces them to take more extreme measures if they don't want to explode. A 1v1 with Veigar ought to more often than not be a high risk/reward scenario for all involved, in my opinion. Furthermore this doesn't exacerbate too much a best case scenario where your teammates are locking down enemies for your damage anyways. They take the same amount of damage in that situation.

One thing I really don't think should be done with Veigar is make his E into a CC bubble like Viktor or Soraka have. It wouldn't feel as special anymore, and again, I think making any Veigar duel a high-stakes high-reward showdown is much cooler. Adding some more powerful ability synergy to grant Veigar more strategic options sounds like a good direction.

Missing Number2/28/2015, 1:38:40 AM3 votes

i like the direction of these ideas, i got a few.

Passive - Veig can amp up one of his abilities every 50 Q stacks. Active : Promote, promoted minion kills count for Q stacks

Q - Peirces 1 / 2, Ricochets inside E Amped - Contact with an enemy leaves a 50 radius damage field for .5 seconds

W - Can be dragged for its duration Amped - Knocks enemies back away from its center

E - delay reduced to .5 or .25 Amped - Targets within the field are slowed and flash/mobility moves are reduced range

R - Non-Projectile, first-cast builds up a nuke on a target over 2 seconds from 75% of current damage to 120%, auto detonate at 2, if detonated on 2, it does AOE Amped - Nuke reduced to 1 second build up, and draws in surrounding enemies (think ori)

also, Stacks are displayed like Nasus' are in a buff

Conus252/27/2015, 4:44:10 AM2 votes

I played zed against a veigar. It felt good.

El Diaglo Doglo2/27/2015, 12:58:14 AM2 votes

I like the actual idea of perhaps giving him additional helpers BASED on his Event Horizon, but him piercing ALL targets or shredding MR would be like Veigar running around with a 12 second cheese grater Veigar

wwil2/28/2015, 4:07:15 AM2 votes

Maybe enhanced abilities and you can't dash out of the cage, but you can flash out?

Q: Splits into two when it goes through a wall? W: Fills the whole cage when used inside and maybe reduced cooldown? R: I like Flair8421's idea of splash damage.

Also the e could have like a void pit inside like malz except less damage to fulfill the torture cage?

EDIT 1: That's a bit strong, maybe nerf R ap a bit and q second hit?