REMOVE SURRENDERING

IlIIllIIllIIlIl·Jun 28, 2015·4 votes·1,151 views

The option to surrender the game is just so stupid in my opinion, yeah some games are unwinnable but surrendering shouldn't be the go to option because 75% of those games you can win. I just had a fairly close game but my team was not optimistic about it at all and automatically surrendered at 20 minutes which ruined my game and made this game a lot less enjoyable. If you are going to have the option to surrendering it should have to be a 5-0 vote because most of the time surrendering is absolute bull shit and no one is going to get any better at the game if every time their game starts to look grim they just surrender.

23 Comments

Android CowboyJun 28, 20154 votes

You never surrender idiots make me sick to my stomach.. Sometimes you just can't win, and tryharding only makes the experience worse for the players on the losing side. Gnar

PheonixwishJun 28, 20153 votes

What happens in the rare case where a player desperately needs to go due to unforeseen IRL problems, and they beg for the game to end? Are we going to watch them writhe in pain? Sure surrendering sucks, but it's there for a reason.

IlIIllIIllIIlIlJun 28, 20151 votes

There are a number of things wrong about what you said. If this "IRL" problem is truly urgent then there should be no question on whether they should leave the game, as devoted as I am to league life still come before a game. Second, I could complain about my unforeseen problem in chat but most likely no one would believe me, I know this from personal experience. But lets say everyone on the team does believe me did you not read what I said about there being an option of surrendering that must be a 5-0 decision? I am not going to blame someone for something they cannot control. Riot also understands this and does not simply ban someone for one afk offense.

PheonixwishJun 28, 20151 votes

If the person leaves, regardless if he was doing well or not, he should be spared of the offense and the other 4 players should be spared of the burden of a 4v5. Doable, yes. Easy, no. Fun, usually no.
A 5-0 surrender vote would cause MUCH more toxicity and frustration than there already is. Have you seen what happens when a surrender vote goes 3-1 or 3-2? The chat explodes with statements like "wtf", "ok, who didn't ff", and "I'm done". The system you proposed would be much more dreadful, with players threatening to report the last person who voted no, and overall a sub - optimal game.

IlIIllIIllIIlIlJun 28, 20151 votes

I agree with your first point partly, If you leave once yes you should be spared , a second time a 20 minute que time or something, 3rd time banned from ranked for some number of games. As for people being more toxic well that's a good thing! Makes it much easier to clear our system of toxic trash who brings down their teams with negative attitudes.

PheonixwishJun 28, 20151 votes

W-what the heck? Why would you say being toxic is good just so they can get punished for it? That's like saying rape is ok, since the law is on the victim's side... What you're trying to prevent has already happened, and has already hurt people.

IlIIllIIllIIlIlJun 28, 20151 votes

Except this isn't rape. This is a video game where people get butthurt because of a few words NOTHING compared to rape and its kind of absurd you would even bring that up. You're steering off topic people shouldn't be toxic in the first place.

PheonixwishJun 28, 20151 votes

You missed the poin-you know what? I never questioned your mindset on never surrendering and only pointed out some exceptions to think about. If you want to go ahead and win some games, fine. Keep a positive attitude and rather than labeling people as toxic, make their game at least a little better. Mention WHY you think the game is winnable (e.g. Vayne isn't doing horrible, if we focus and play safely, our late game is amazing) and people will follow suit.

That is the REAL solution to your problem. Everything I have said before now is irrelevant. Good luck and have fun.

NortheastPizzaDec 20, 20151 votes

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What happens in the rare case where a player desperately needs to go due to unforeseen IRL problems, and they beg for the game to end? Are we going to watch them writhe in pain? Sure surrendering sucks, but it's there for a reason.

Yes, fuck them. If it's that important they can get over their penalty in League of Shit.

PheonixwishDec 21, 20151 votes

It's been six months, man. There are numerous reasons why surrendering is an option, and I was defending one scenario I believed was important way back when. I do agree with your statement 100%, but dwelling on past discussions isn't the best way to say what you want.

chide da junglerJun 28, 20152 votes

I would hate to be on your team. I bet you're one of the people who always votes no even though all your lanes lost and it's 4v5. Waste of my time.

IlIIllIIllIIlIlJun 28, 20151 votes

Right back at you, your the negative attitude no one needs, If it is overwhelmingly obvious that I am going to lose I will surrender but you're tying to narrow this down to your specific situation, In general if it is a 5v5 match and fairly close it is very annoying when people like you choose to surrender.

Vistha KaiJun 28, 20152 votes

If a game is unwinnable then you can't win it in 100% cases.

GuileRavenJun 28, 20151 votes

The point of the game is to have fun, and if someone wants to surrender then they are obviously not having fun. If you are having fun playing a losing match, then you can have just as much fun when you start your next losing match. Meanwhile other people who have a limited time to play would much rather go on to something a bit more even.

Removing the ability to surrender is stupid. You can force everyone to continue playing, but you cannot force everyone to continue playing well. The second everyone gives up, the match is over. End of story. Just because it's physically possible to win a losing match, does not mean it's possible with the players that you have or the mindset that they are in. If someone honestly thinks the match is hopeless, they are not going to play well at all. I have had winning games thrown by one player because he thought it was hopeless from the beginning (he had no kills and only a couple assists). It's not that he did it on purpose, it's that he wanted the match to end, so he subconsciously played badly.

If anything they should increase the ability to surrender. It shouldn't take 4 votes to end the match, 3 should suffice. If someone disconnected before the 20 minute mark, then you should be able to surrender sooner.

The only time I advocate removal of the surrender option is in ranked matches.

IlIIllIIllIIlIlJun 28, 20151 votes

I agree this should not apply to norms but only ranked matches.

IlIIllIIllIIlIlJun 28, 20151 votes

An alternative would be delaying the time that you can surrender at a lot is unclear at 20 minutes and is to early in my opinion to surrender.

SnugglePuggle94Jun 28, 20151 votes

How would you like to be in a ranked game, where you have won your lane as Diana, and since your top lane was supposed to get top as he was first pick but our last pick complained and instant locked on Jax, so therefore our Kennen had to be support, and then since Jax was not happy even though he got his lane, he decides to throw the game after we start out good, then after a few minutes our ADC goes AFK. So there we are in a 4 v 5 with a Jax that would just run into the enemy team on mid lane, all 5 of them, and die, then blame you (me) for not helping! While you are going all around trying to help push lanes, even sacrifice yourself to ult into dragon and steal it, Jax still blames you and everyone on the team, and keeps running in and dying. Also he will not help with anything, no objectives or team fight. Would you want to go through 20 minutes or more of that? Heck no.

Nameless VoiceJun 28, 20151 votes

Most of the time, you want to surrender to get out of the fact that your entire team is flaming, not because your team is losing.

Games where your team are friendly but losing can be turned around and won. Games where your team are more interested in typing profanities at each other and also losing... no, almost impossible to win.

The Queen ViperJun 28, 20151 votes

Or, you could just remove LoL from your computer... since let's be honest, that's the realistic option what can happen here.

NortheastPizzaDec 20, 20151 votes

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Or, you could just remove LoL from your computer... since let's be honest, that's the realistic option what can happen here.

I already have, this game gets worse and worse every patch.

SukishooJun 28, 20151 votes

Maximum MordeDec 21, 20151 votes

No. Its already too hard to surrender. It should be simple majority, or in the case of even numbers, half.

P.S. If surrender votes were never sucessful, you'd have a point. Since they do sometimes suceed we know that the community values the feature and uses it.

DrakusatheonDec 21, 20151 votes

The lack of surrender functionality is the reason I never got into DotA 2. Because getting locked in a 55 minute game that has been over for 35 minutes is not fun.