Leblanc balanced?

VAPEGODJUUL·Aug 25, 2015·3 votes·1,272 views

I remember a time in the DFG days where Leblanc had to deal with a lot of grief about her balance since one shotting in lane was pretty certain with it, but It's time for a re-examination. Not only in this season was DFG removed, she was additionally nerfed two times ( half buffed once as well) with one of the nerfs reducing all her spells damage by about 5% each. As a result she fails to fit into the meta.

Leblanc was my favorite champion, you would bully the enemy laner until you get the kill and get NLR, and a lil later the best item ever and snowball completely, but there was a risk still. Winning was the real struggle, i know she's frustrating to play against, but it takes skill or a hard carry to win a lot as Leblanc. Her burst was insane and although you could one shot a carry, u could get one shot yourself with a little bit of CC. Also you don't have anything that solo wins games, you don't split push totally great, your AP so your not doing tons of sustained damage, and your squishy as jello!

What I want to say is that I think it's time to give Leblanc some love. She's an early game champ who doesn't team fight exceptionally well unless it's some freak skirmish and the slight bit of a misjudged situation can lose your team the game. The nerfs hurt her scaling more than she already had to deal with, and as mages run the meta it's time to give LB something to work with, cuz im sick of letting this high risk high reward champion be slaughtered before my eyes because of negative attention and wrong headed misconceptions surrounding her.

For those that don't play her, even when you do a lot of things right, it's hard to win a lot as LB, and nowadays, the risk is hardly worth the reward.

25 Comments

searchman15Aug 25, 20152 votes

I think she's fine atm. I main lb btw. It's definately hard to win the game if your team is full of idiots, but its not hard to position yourself around the backline carries to take them out. The problem with leblanc is that she isn't very durable and because of the scaling, building anything but damage just doesn't work. Meaning this juggernaut meta is just not right for her.

MAN OF INTELLECTAug 25, 20151 votes

^^ This. If enemy Garen is carrying the team, then you're screwed.

VAPEGODJUULAug 25, 20151 votes

It's so hard to win the game as her, she is a perfect example of how kills don't win games and 20 mins ff is honestly the best way to win unless you get ur adc or top fed.

searchman15Aug 25, 20151 votes

That's kind of her win condition in solo q. Win lane > Roam > Objectives > Profit. Of course you'll be useless if you just take 20 kills and sit mid or do nothing for your team.

magic poleAug 25, 20152 votes

right, one-shotting carries that people lamented so much...well she has to use her gap-closer / escape to do so. Most likely used up her R as well so there goes the dupe.

so if she got away with one-shotting your ADC or mid laner late-game, well your team fucked up. where was your vision, CC, shields on your carry?

joebobby1412Aug 25, 20151 votes

Okay. I can understnad this NOW. But, when Leblanc was OP it was not that easy. Ofcourse vision always helps, but let's assume this: your whole team is grouped mid pushing a wave, just out of vision farther down the lane is a Leblanc. She can jump in and blow up your ADC and jump out as fast as a Malphite would be able to ult to where she started. Then she could do it again in 20 seconds. There was NO counter play there. Unless you knew she was coming before hand and literally played the entire game around avoiding getting blown up her, you were getting fucked by her.

I agree she is weak right now, she struggles to blow up the squishiest of carries. But that is as it should be, she should be only slightly stronger, but an assassin should have to play it perfectly to be able to jump into the enemy team and blow someone up, maybe not even be able to do it at all. If they run into an ADC alone in the jungle absolutely should be able to destroy them. In a teamfight, should be able to get to and blow up the ADC. Should not be able to go in 1v5 and instantly blow up the ADC and jump away.

ImSoFullAug 25, 20151 votes

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Okay. I can understnad this NOW. But, when Leblanc was OP it was not that easy. Ofcourse vision always helps, but let's assume this: your whole team is grouped mid pushing a wave, just out of vision farther down the lane is a Leblanc. She can jump in and blow up your ADC and jump out as fast as a Malphite would be able to ult to where she started. Then she could do it again in 20 seconds. There was NO counter play there. Unless you knew she was coming before hand and literally played the entire game around avoiding getting blown up her, you were getting fucked by her.

I agree she is weak right now, she struggles to blow up the squishiest of carries. But that is as it should be, she should be only slightly stronger, but an assassin should have to play it perfectly to be able to jump into the enemy team and blow someone up, maybe not even be able to do it at all. If they run into an ADC alone in the jungle absolutely should be able to destroy them. In a teamfight, should be able to get to and blow up the ADC. Should not be able to go in 1v5 and instantly blow up the ADC and jump away.

You don't understand, Leblanc can't just run up to your team and blow the adc up. If she does and managed to get away, you guys deserved to have your adc deleted for letting her close the gap w/o getting cc or even blocking her moves. Leblanc will have to use w+r to close the gap. If she's close enough, she'll be able to use r to damage the adc and even then, q-e wont be enough to kill the adc without staying there for 3seconds to let the chains proc. So that's about 4-5seconds she's in your face. If you let her land her e on your adc then idk wtf you guys are doing. And if she procs the e then you guys should just ff for not blowing her up or cc'ing her in that long of a window.

joebobby1412Aug 25, 20151 votes

Now, that is how it is. NOW. She used to be a lot stronger and was capable of exactly what I laid out there.

IAMS4T4NAug 25, 20152 votes

please dont mid lane is somewhat peaceful now that there isnt a leblanc pressing 2 buttons and instadeleting someone and returning to fountain with the press of another button

CasterGilgameshAug 25, 20151 votes

whats her just so frustrating is she kills you before you can react thats why unless riot takes lessons from DOTA no assassin will be balanced

Irelia BotAug 25, 20151 votes

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whats her just so frustrating is she kills you before you can react thats why unless riot takes lessons from DOTA no assassin will be balanced

You might need to expand on what makes an assassin balanced in dota.

Only Play DariusAug 25, 20151 votes

What makes DOTA assassins balanced?

CasterGilgameshAug 25, 20151 votes

if everyone's op no ones op....

ImSoFullAug 25, 20151 votes

I think Leblanc is fine atm. It's just riot is leaving these op champs up. Leblanc is pretty much useless when they start to group up. You got about 20min to make them ff or go 10-1 and help your team get fed. But even if you go 4-1, it's not enough to carry. Sure you'll be able to delete any out of positioned squishy but then again a lot of people can too when fed. It's just the meta isn't in favor of her right now. Azir can make the enemy team go where ever he wants them too and have great waveclear. Viktor and delete anytihng in q-e and has stupid waveclear. Annie is an aoe leblanc pretty much. Flash in and stun while nuking 5 players. And Ahri is just Ahri. Only thing i would suggest is either adding better ratios to e or buffing base damage. Slightly, not something like ( ratios increased to .8 from .5) Or (Base damage increased to 60/100/120/140/180/200) Maybe 0.6 ratio on e and base damage increased to 50/70/100/120/150. -Annie -Ahri (Meh) -Viktor -Azir

VAPEGODJUULAug 25, 20151 votes

See, this is true. Leblanc never was as hard of a carry as these champs yet she has been nerfed and taken huge hits from itemization while the said other champs wreck face and rarely get nerfed, but still own when they do.

Only Play DariusAug 25, 20151 votes

It's not her balance state that is the issue. It is the fact that she is 110% toxic to play against. Her ability to be potentially in 4 places at once on top of her dumbass passive makes it extremely difficult to punish her for making mistakes or catch her out (which is why she is a nightmare to shutdown when fed), while she will punish the slightest mistake on your part with ruthless efficiency.

It doesn't help that her playerbase is the most toxic in League, always being obnoxious to the enemy team and even their own. Frankly no one missed her back when her winrate was in the gutter, she is a mistake champion release along with Vlad and pre-rework Darius and exists to do little other than make the game unfun for whoever has to play against her.

VAPEGODJUULAug 25, 20153 votes

This is not an objective post. Your generalizing a champion's entire player base as toxic which is for sure untrue, and then saying that this warrants her to be left to die.

LuggAug 25, 20151 votes

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one of the nerfs reducing all her spells damage by about 5% each.

It reduced the damage on her R spells only, not all of them.

Bondage BunnyboyAug 25, 20151 votes

I wouldn't mind if they reworked her Q, it's boring as fuck right now. It's only fun when you're hideously fed and take half of the enemy's health with QR.

Maybe they could move more of the damage to the latter part, and then give it some utility, like a slow that disappears upon having the mark procced or after the mark disappears.

VAPEGODJUULAug 25, 20152 votes

At this point she really needs either a buff or a rework.

Bondage BunnyboyAug 26, 20151 votes

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At this point she really needs either a buff or a rework.

No, no more buffs please. Her power level is fine for the way her kit works, and champion.gg says that her winrate goes up a fair amount with experience.

A rework on Q is welcome. But if they touch her W, her glorious W... I may cry. It's literally the most fun ability anyone in this game has (in my opinion).

VAPEGODJUULAug 26, 20151 votes

Yea she is totally my favorite champion, I love the jukes the kills the roams the awe your teammates have when u jump in to 4 people and come out with 24 health and a kill. I just hate the 19-6 losses and really think that something can be done to help her be a carry again. If changing her Q to have some sort of on-hit effect helped her be feared by people past 25 mins I'd be down for it, there really is nothing to be afraid of except the lane phase and if u play it safe or get ganks it's usually a win. I think a CDR reduction on W and E would actually be the best bet. Having 18 second cooldowns is really a struggle, since with the items and nerfs the only way to build and "carry"/scale Is full damage.

Bondage BunnyboyAug 27, 20151 votes

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Yea she is totally my favorite champion, I love the jukes the kills the roams the awe your teammates have when u jump in to 4 people and come out with 24 health and a kill. I just hate the 19-6 losses and really think that something can be done to help her be a carry again. If changing her Q to have some sort of on-hit effect helped her be feared by people past 25 mins I'd be down for it, there really is nothing to be afraid of except the lane phase and if u play it safe or get ganks it's usually a win. I think a CDR reduction on W and E would actually be the best bet. Having 18 second cooldowns is really a struggle, since with the items and nerfs the only way to build and "carry"/scale Is full damage.

Her W has a low enough cooldown. In fact, if they really felt she needed a nerf that would probably be the next thing they hit. Not that I would want that at all.

Her E, though, should have a slightly reduced cooldown at rank 5. Maybe 8 from 10 (I think it's 10 right now?) so that she has more CC available to root her ADC's assassins.

Poop JellyAug 25, 20151 votes

She's still strong. Though people can't rely on LB to single-handedly carry a team to victory like she used to if ahead, she can take care of her own and that's pretty balanced. I can't argue that she's less powerful in a real committing teamfight comparing to other mages and assassins.

Power CosmicAug 26, 20151 votes

She is still a terror to lane against for most non assassin ap mids.