% Health True Damage

Prince Smashy··5 votes·679 views

Why is % health true damage allowed to be uncounterable. Today I went up against a Fiora main that tower dive me and Lee, and did around 3k true damage to me, yet I'm a tank. How are you suppose to play against % health true damage?

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Niyumi2 votes

Fiora is easy to counterplay, and entirely eliminate her true damage.

Nosnide2 votes

Well I mean Just about every rework Riot did, has % health damage. Who knows why.

ProfDrDeath2 votes

It is not uncounterable. You just cannot counterbuild the actual damage - but all significant sources of %-HP true damage have counterplay around it (Fiora's is tied to her marks, Vayne needs to hit you thrice in a row, Redemption is delayed).

Prince Smashy1 votes

It's hard for Fiora not to hit the marks when the marks are always facing Fiora and when she does hit the mark, she gets a movement speed buff and a Q reduction, making it easy to land the next mark. You can't avoid vayne AA and once she gets some attack speed items, which mean she can proc her true damage pretty easy. Redemption is the only thing you can avoid.

Check this webm video of Fiora destorying the tank Yorick http://webm.land/media/DvFx.webm

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

Here is a question: What the heck is percent health True damage? I am confused... Maybe I should clarify-- how is that different from percent max health damage? Have I been wrong and armour can actually block some of that max health damage? Vayne... You are a cheat. If not, then what is the difference between % Health True Damage versus % Max Health Damage? I already see that latter is based upon the enemy, while the former is based upon... what? I am confuse.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Here is a question: What the heck is percent health True damage? I am confused... Maybe I should clarify-- how is that different from percent max health damage? Have I been wrong and armour can actually block some of that max health damage? Vayne... You are a cheat. If not, then what is the difference between % Health True Damage versus % Max Health Damage? I already see that latter is based upon the enemy, while the former is based upon... what? I am confused.

only true damage ignores resistances, and % damage reduction.

the damage type is stated by the ability or item to be either % health magic damage, physical damage, or true damage.

so yes. if its % health magic or physical damage, it is reduced by mr or armor.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

Thanks for that. I am a lost why it is called max health damage if resistances can play a role but I understand. Thanks for the clarification.

Gibberwatt1 votes

% max health true damage is just like a normal attack, only it's damage would scale with the other guy's health, rather than your AD/AP.

For example, if a person has 1000 health, and 50% damage reduction (through armor), and: Vayne hits them with a 12% health true damage - - - they take 120 damage. Period. Volibear hits them with 8% max health damage - - - They take the equivalent of 4% (8% x 0.5), or 40 damage

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

Thanks for the math. As a math guy, that helped a lot. I didn't know that there was such a things as max true health (Because I did not research that much on a champion). But this means... my Hyper Carry Build on Gnar is gone!! Nooo (Some stupid yet effective against tank build where I focus on Hyper, % max health, over tank. That build is gone)

Gibberwatt1 votes

But have you tried void staff? that is a nice item if you wanna go hyper gnar

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

Void Staff on Gnar? I usually get items that can also help more than just his w, like attack speed, or ad. Hmmm... I will consider it next time.

Gibberwatt1 votes

For the purpose of a hyper-focused build, magic pen is important

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

But isn't that assuming the enemy gets mr? 35% magic pen, 85 AP (Recalling from head, could be wrong) on an otherwise AD champ? His ult deals physical damage, though it has AP scaling. Huh. I understand where you are coming from, I just never thought of it before.

Packun Flower1 votes

Fiora is just retarded top lane there is literally no champion you can take top lane and win vs her because she;ll out damage and out duel you every time.

legionnaire992 votes

Well hell Illaoi Darius Nasus Kled Riven Pantheon Renekton Yorick Trundle Tryndamere all got nerfed I know they all out damage and duel fiora easily unless you waste every thing on her W?

SnugglePuggle942 votes

Wrong. Irelia beats the shit out of her. And many others do too.

Astôlfo1 votes

Pffffft. The ignorance is hilarious.

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

shields, healing, evasion

Prince Smashy1 votes

How can a tank do their job at tanking and peeling for their team, when they are being annihilated by % health true damage.

Astôlfo1 votes

By realizing the champions that have it are balanced around it. Now stop crying and learn to play against them.

Arakadia1 votes

Not everything is suppose to be counterable. Some things need to be reliable and other's just aren't counterable. For example Vayne's W can be counterbuilt. Building items that slow attack speed will reduce how many times she can get three shots in. Additionally, only like 10% of Vayne's damage comes from her W, so armor and hp is still effective.

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