Can we for the love of god nerf conqueror.

CloakAndGrenade··3 votes·1,238 views

Conqueror gives so many free stats that it autowins fights. Who though giving free flat AD/AP, true damage, AND sustain was a good idea? and then make it a keystone that can be kept up for the entirety of a fight no matter how long it goes on as long as the user can keep adding stacks?

ADC's are taking it over fleet footwork because the healing is infinitely better and the free stats that it gives is too good to pass up.

Assassins like Akali and Zed are able to use it since they can stack it so quickly they essentially get free damage and true damage throughout a fight.

Bruisers are taking the keystone not only because it was built for them, but it outclasses aftershock, grasp, lethal tempo, and literally every other viable top lane keystone to a degree that the phrase "seal clubbing" comes to mind. Its absolutely absurd. Twitch, nasus, garen, and olaf should not be all able to take the exact same keystone. But they can, and are, and are winning with it.

So many of the champs taking it already have sustain and true damage in their kits. The added bonus makes this absolutely oppressive. Patch after patch after patch this keystone hasn't been touched. It has absolutely no drawbacks.

Grasp takes just as long to wind up (even longer if the conq user has spammable abilities and auto-resets that can grant near full stacks in under 3 seconds) and only provides a single heal based on max HP (read: practically non-existant pre-15 minutes.) followed by a cooldown. Conq has no cooldown and runs infinitely once stacked.

The flat stats that aftershock provides does nothing against conqueror. Sure, the initial proc might negate the bonus AD/AP that conq gives, but the true damage is still going to proc for far more than what is negated. Not to mention the free sustain conq gives will absolutely heal any damage aftershock would do.

the attack speed that lethal temp gives comes nowhere near to bringing the damage output that conq does and at this point press the attack is just a shittier version of conqueror. It gives less bonus damage than conq does and doesn't' come with sustain and also only procs on a single target. Why take klepto when the amount of gold you'll get wont come close to making up for the free stats that conq gives right away, no rng involved? Glacial augment wont help you kite unless you're playing a marksman top, aftershock does less damage and will be immediately healed through, dark harvest takes too long to scale and wont match conq's damage until very late in the game, predator is too situational and also gives you far less damage with a very long cooldown.

So what's left? Support keystones? As if aery, comet, guardian, or unsealed spellbook are going to do anything for you.

TL;DR? Conqueror outshines every single other keystone in the game by a large margin and needs a nerf.

Take away the sustain, the true damage, or the flat AD/AP. Do SOMETHING.

Please?

9 Comments

Poop Johnson2 votes

Garen and Nasus are taking Conq? Zed is taking Conq? Literally any ADC besides Draven is taking Conq? The only champions using it are duelists and divers which is exactly who it was made for so I don't see what's the problem because a lot of them still go other keystones too.

CloakAndGrenade1 votes

Conq is the current highest winrate keystone for twitch jungle, for example.

Poop Johnson1 votes

Ok so that's 1/2 an ADC because bot Twitch gets PTA as does Draven now. Still not breaking the books considering the rest get Fleet/PTA/Lethal.

CloakAndGrenade1 votes

Getting downvote bombed, I guess I should complain about Yasuo or Vayne instead of a real problem.

Lord Kuma1 votes

First of all assassins like Zed won't take Conqueror because its against what he wants to do which do as much damage as possible while Conqueror can give you damage but believe or not Electrocute is still the better option for him because it does more damage to squishes and its easier for him to proc.

Akali is an interesting champion who has all the damage in the world so she can get away with taking Conqueror thanks to her shroud and high damage she can just proc it and kill her opponents mind you fleet is still the better option for her because she doesn't need a damage keystone and can just sustain.

Conqueror has been nerfed a lot and pretty hard in terms of adaptive damage so a lot of Mages and ADC's dropped Conqueror for far better options for them, Draven one of the ADC who always used Conqueror even before Conqueror rework dropped that keystone for other options like PTA now, so no I don't think ADC's or Mages really like Conqueror now.

Conqueror full potential now goes to the Bruiser class since they have enough base damage to use that true damage Conqueror gives and the healing part is for sustain 1v1 fights that what Bruisers are best at.

Tanks shouldn't win vs a Bruiser 1v1 or even early in the laning phase because Tanks are suppose to outscale Bruisers in teamfights and better more useful utility while also more forgiving than Bruisers if they fall behind. Before Conqueror was introduced, Tanks was out of line, they beat Bruiser 1v1, have better laning than Bruisers while also infinitely outscaled Bruisers in teamfights not to mention they are also the easiest class in the game. So we need Conqueror to keep Tanks in check and give them a real weakness which is 1v1's and early laning phase.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Nasus sure as fuck doesn't take Conq. He used to, against certain tanks before it was reworked, but it's garbage on him now.

Also nice misuse of buzzwords like "free stats".

CloakAndGrenade1 votes

They get AD. A vamp sceptors worth of sustain. and true damage. Literally just for landing their spells.

Those are stats. That is essentially free. But please oh big brained wise one, enlighten me, how would YOU describe free stats?

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

And the cost is the fucking keystone slot, and it's not like you just passively have it constantly.

Soul Dealer1 votes

I don’t think conq should be in the game at all. Giving every champion the option to have true damage regardless of weather or not they should take it is just bad game design. If they want bruisers to have a good keystone then just bring back fervor.

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