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Should Riot Consider Adding Nunu to the List of Champs that could use A Rework

The Aqualious··36 votes·2,253 views

So I tried Nunu recently... And I can see why he isn't played often

His Passive is Lissandra's only instead of a Timer it's after 5 auto's... It's not a bad passive, but there could be something better to fit him

His Q, yeah it buffs him, but you can't use it on Champs which is a tad annoying... Even if they changed the damage output so that it does the True damage to minions and some other amount of damage to champs would be nice

His W is similar to WW's plus a movement speed buff, but it kinda feels odd in his kit, like it was tagged on

His E, I personally felt it could use with a bit more range, and a bit more damage... But that's just me

His Ult... Really the only thing I can say the guy has going for him...

Sum it up... In the Jungle... He can take Objectives well and Farm the Jungle with Ease... But that's really it... Ganking feels a bit lack lustre on him since he really does need to rely on his teammate to make something happen with a slowed enemy and speed up movement, plus a Yeti punching the guy in the face...

His Kit mainly seems to be one that could be used to build him into a Support, with all the movement Buffs and Debuffs... But his win rate as support is abysmal

And you can only build him one way... A tank... There's AP scalings on him... But he can't damage champs with his Q, and his Ult has to cool down meaning he really only has access to his E to provide that extra punch

All in All... I think that Nunu needs a rework because he doesn't really have a lane or role that he can really latch onto... His kit is all over the place needing focus... and playing him doesn't feel fun or exciting or something else

And people can say that I'm wrong and I'm an idiot, and I could be, since I haven't played him much at all, but this is how I felt while and after playing him...

Just my Thoughts

43 Comments

Myrddin7 votes

I suppose he could use a rework

When he's good he's oppressive when he's anything less... not really useful

xelaker5 votes

nunu doesn't have nearly enough "every third hit does % of max hp damage on hit"

The Aqualious1 votes

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I'm not saying we break him or make him a cancer... Just make his kit flow and work together damn it

Nami in Bush4 votes

He's a slow-bot. He destroys enemy attack speed by 50% (80% with frozen heart and randuins). He has good jungle clear, his Q and E make him what he is. His W could be changed and he could use a general buff, nothing particular.

Champion Skin6 votes

Attack speed slows stacks multiplicative I believe (though movement speed slows no longer stack and only the strongest slow has any effect) So with Nunu E + R + Frozen Heart + Randuins 0.75 X 0.75 X 0.85 X 0.85 = 0.406 which means enemy attack speed will be 40.6% of what it normally would be or you could also say that enemy attack speed is reduced by 59.4%

GoronMuncherV4 votes

He definitely needs a full VGU. Like you said; he's really meh as a champion. On top of that he looks absolutely terrible compared to the stuff being released recently. Also, I'd like a reason to use my nunu bot :)

redfeenix4 votes

I think they've more or less confirmed nunu is on the update list. However there are a ton of other old champs that are in a worse spot than nunu like Warwick urgot and Eve.

Rest assured nunu will get a rework, but it could be awhile

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

I agree there are others in a huge need of a rework, however, I do think Nunu should be way higher on the list since outside of new champion releases (such as Taliyah) Nunu has been the statistically worst champion in the game for over a year. I mean go to Champion.gg at any given time and he is rocking 1-3 of the "worst champions by role" categories.

redfeenix1 votes

So perhaps he could use some buffs or a good passive. While he waits for a full visual and gameplay update. So at least he performs decently.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

The problem is Nunu is NEVER fun to play against when he is remotely strong. In preseason 3 (I think....it was whenever he got his latest Q) he was an absolute nightmare and could take every single camp from the enemy jungler with little resistance. He simply can't be solved with number changes because he is a walking stat checker where you either outdps snowballs or he buffs his ADC and nerfs yours to the ground with his ultimate/permanent slow E.

There have been a few threads with fan rework that look good, but he honestly can't be balanced with his current kit since the only way he has ever functioned as a champion is by making the enemy jungler as useless as you are and basically having a 4v4 where Nunu has SOME utility.

Sir Fuzzi4 votes

His passive could use some adjustment to feel a little more in-line, but he also makes his way as a jungler where his basics (and his mana expenditure) will be on front and center.

Riot likes to make champions like Jhin who require a non-trivial understanding of mathematics to really understand the workings of, but it's nice when champions are like Nunu-- one job, one function per skill, and nothing complicated. Everything is drop-n'-forget. This is good, because it's 2016 and there are still people who do not follow up Braum passives, which would suggest that maybe champions like Nunu or Ashe who have a button or two aren't bad ideas.

If Nunu needs a change, it needs to be to his resources and power budget, not to his identity or kit. His passive is at length the most removed part of his kit; everything else feels kind of nice and makes Nunu nice to have around.

Of course, if they do change him, he'll have no buffs and, as was said, %max HP every 3rd. Plus a slow on that, probably? Magic damage or true-- take your guess now!

Oleandervine3 votes

I think he is on their list, but he's not at the top currently. According to Reav3 and Meddler the top 3 most requested VGUs, and their current priority queue are, in order of most requests, are Evelynn, Urgot, and Galio. After those 3, I believe they said Pantheon, Skarner and Nunu were also pretty high up, and there was recent discussion about Skarner being a strong candidate after the top 3. They said they'd like to do Pantheon too due to his sore-thumb look and feel when compared to the other Targon aspects.

Troll for Trump2 votes

He needs a rework more than Urgot tbh

IS3E531E3F9643912 votes

his E needs a rework as well, point and click E bs has gotta go

Blue Moon Wolf2 votes

There are a LOT of champs that could use a full Rework. Amumu (mostly cause of his design) Nunu Urgot Evelynn Swain Mordekaiser DrMundo (again, mostly design) Pantheon Skarner (mostly cause of his kit) and much more that could use an Reworked. Unfortunately, Riot can only fit so many Reworks a year. The good news is that the speed they are releasing them is much faster than how long it took Poppy and are able to release 4-5 a year (If they can squeeze Warwick in before the year is out). But that's still only 4-5 Reworks on a list of over 100 champs that could use an update in one form or another, but can't get them cause most of them don't really have enough issues to be considered for a Rework.

Gstevenston2 votes

He is on the list of champions that will be getting a rework, this list includes Cho'Gath, Irelia, and Swain.

The Yetii Rider2 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/JfRvtUo9-5-reasons-why-nunu-is-awesome

The Aqualious1 votes

Like I said... Just my thoughts

The Yetii Rider2 votes

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Like I said... Just my thoughts

You said you could be an idiot and didn't know how to play him. The link tells you how to play him

Poske2 votes

Riot confirmed that nunu is a trashcan champ and needs a rework so yes

Simple Moon1 votes

I think he needs one. Or at least a tweak. Allow his consume to work on champions for maybe half the heal. That would allow his w to actually be useful since you could build him AD and buff yourself.

Champion Skin1 votes

Nunu E is actually rather powerful as it is a decent slow on a rather low cooldown and it also slows attack speed by 25% I think it was... and that is rather powerful as attack speed slows reduce total attack speed meaning auto attack DPS is reduced by 25% (If the enemy doesn't have any auto attack resets to get around the attack speed slow)

Witch of Babylon1 votes

They said Nunu will be getting one but it will be more of a large touch up than a full rework. Wish I could find the source tho :c

BenParadox1 votes

A Rioter put a post of champs that are high on the priority list for receiving full VGU's once. I don't know where the exact comment is, but this video shows it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTak3bP5YcA/

TeCoolMage1 votes

His snowball does so much damage though...

It Hertz When IP1 votes

Just played Nunu in Nemesis, and he actually CAN use his Q in teamfights if you can trick the enemy team into fighting in lanes. Nearly every time it was up, there was an enemy minion close enough to eat.

That being said, I feel like his Q is simultaneously his greatest skill and his hugest crutch. A second smite on a short CD with a built in heal to boot would make pretty much any champion, no matter how badly designed otherwise, a decent jungler. However, the presence of a short-CD secondary smite (that also grants buffs on use, some of them really powerful) in his kit (IMO) takes way too much out of his power budget. Making him great at objective control, but rather terrible at much else.

I think that's why he has a crappy winrate for his support role. So much of his power budget is tied up in a skill that, in the support role, is basically just a glorified way to quickly proc Relic Shield.

theArtifacts1 votes

His W is there so when you Q to slow an enemy you can W to quickly get in place for R. Not saying I disagree with reworking him.. just that there is a reason for a speed boost :P

Zonkman1 votes

Nunu belongs in the assassin update

ShadowParker1 votes

I don't think he needs a full vgu. His q,e, and r feel core to him. And honestly, they all work well together. I'd rather see his w get reworked into something else with slight tweaks to his other abilities. So a roster project doesn't sound bad for him. (Although I do want him to get a new model)

Xeruon1 votes

I think the thing about Nunu is trying to make the enemy jungler as useless as you are by constantly counterjungling and being annoying as fuck

LatetotheRace1 votes

Nunu is essentially a disruptor/chaser AP bruiser/juggernaut with fast clear times. I think that about sums him really.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

His jg is "meh" and you are better off picking a better power farm jungler that doesn't leave (honestly Fiddle has about equal dragon control or close enough) and he is outclasses in almost every way as a support, especially by Lulu who got Blood Boil on her W now (gives higher MS and AS but for a shorter duration).

I7A6X2v21 votes

Yea, he is extremely boring and useless (like Warwick ). An old outdatd champ with a 2009 kit, old models and 9 line quotes. He is definitely a good candidate for a VGU after Warwick

Golden Tager X1 votes

Warwick is by no means useless. He is great if you need a very reliable ganker as his ult can never miss, does good damage, and is 1.7 sec suppression. Really he just needs some way to gank without his ult and he'll be fine.

Kingdom Corn1 votes

Cleans and qss counter his only usefull ability (ult).

Golden Tager X1 votes

The thing is, I said reliable ganker, if they are buying a qss in lane to deal with your ult, they are not going to really be able to fight who they're laning against. Same pretty much goes for cleanse, which is only worth grabbing on someone who cc fucks over. (Azir MasterYi Vayne ) I mean he almost ensures death at 6, making him very useful for someone who snowballs like Riven Jax Talon and so on.

SanKakU1 votes

They could try making his ultimate scale with MR, armor, and health and his e with one or two of those attributes and make him no longer scale with AP. There are very few abilities that scale with MR and the ones that do I think just do it for increasing defense like Leona and Poppy and Braum. Not even Galio has abilities that scale with MR and his basic ability gives him AP based on MR which is silly to me. I think tanks should be diversified more and not just be 'crowd control mages' because then it makes them look like 'assassins with crowd control that aren't actually assassins' instead of tanks.

Kingdom Corn1 votes

Lol i played against a nunu top the other day i got butt raped. consistent slows to the point where i cant last hit any minions because he will spam e and run at me and I cant do a single thing about it I dont have cc to stop his ult from channeling and I was playing gp a late game champ so fighting nunu was pointless. It is just absoloutly frustrating playing against a nunu. consistent slows and then he ults you and you are dead if you dont have flash

Droogzy1 votes

Considering his sole objective is to make someone else on the map as useless as he is...yeah he needs a rework lol.

Iźuku Midoriya1 votes

The real question is, how do you build him? Build him tank and he falls off in damage, all he gets is an attack speed slow. Build him damage, you get hit by on ability thats poke from Ziggs Velkoz or anyone with range and BOOP, you're staring at a black and white screen

Barrclaw1 votes

Im not even going to bother reading the comments or the post to answer the question of the title.

FUCK TO FUCKTH POWER YES

edit: after reading the post and seeing when it was posted i just thought it was kinda funny that this was posted during nemesis daft weekend, HMMM I wonder what forced him onto Nunu

Oelyk1 votes

When you play Nunu, you're not playing League of Legends. You're a comedian on a bear, entertain, and you win. Nunu in nemesis draft has taught me the ways of "I-don't-give-a-f*ck" and it's gold to just not genuinely care by going full tank, casually walking thought the entire map like you own the place, and ignore everyone, even if they hammer on you, you do their entire right side jungle leave, do dragon and then walk back into their other jungle.

Imperial Japan1 votes

I believe his W and possibly his passive could use a rework but other than that I believe his kit is fine. He is still objective based and can counter jungle fairly easily. Now that I think about it, his w could be used for even more objective control (turrets) in its own weird way. Maybe just a slight buff to e and a passive change would be good

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