I find it funny that a lot of ADC players keep complaining about marksmen

Zed genius·Jun 15, 2018·9 votes·1,928 views

Let's take a look at other roles. Top lane: You play tanks,bruisers,fighters and the occassional assassin,marksman or mage here and there Jungle:You play tanks,assassins,fighters,a few mages and some marksmen here and there Mid:You play mages,assassins, a few tanks or supports rarely and about 4 or 5 marksmen that are viable from time to time Support: You got peelers/enchanters, tanks and engagers,mages and damage dealers and now with pyke you also have an assassin Adc: You only play the 15 marksman champions with similar mechanics and playstyles. Do you find anything odd in here? The adc role has had the least variety of champs out of any lane. Adc players literally only had learn how to play to play 10-15 champs for 7 years straight and now that other shit is playable down there there are people complaining? I don't see the logic here...

19 Comments

deadmendontlieJun 15, 20184 votes

You cannot just say you have to learn one set of 15 champs to play bot lane both supports, and adcs have to understand how well each champ works with another. If a player wants to do well at adc, or support they have to know the opposite role as well, so what you are saying is just generallizing what you don't like about the role itself, and people complaining, because they think riot is taking the game in a bad direction. Do not get me wrong I am an adc main, and I don't like the changes, but the issue I have with them is not the health regen or damage difference it is that fact that they pushed out over 75% of the champions even though they say they want every champ viable, and I do not agree overall with what riot has been doing to every role this season. Yeah I do disagree with a lot of the adc changes I can see where riot is coming from, but where they are taking the game as a whole is not the right place.

D357R0Y3RJun 15, 20182 votes

doublelift sneaky deft complimented the meta even imaqtpie

i don't have a single high elo adc friend that complains about the meta, we're all learning yasuo and playing lucian jhin mf draven

so tell me, apart some low elo pleb that wants to play cait in every game who's complaining?

Zed geniusJun 15, 20183 votes

low elo plebs are 98% of the game tho

D357R0Y3RJun 15, 20183 votes

Watch how riot is buffing crit back

oh wait they aren't

they can be 98% or 99% it doesn't change anything weak adcs are getting buffed because weak champions get buffed adcs as a class does not need buffs

the role(bot lane not adc) is fine, the meta is fine, and the game is fucking fun right now

Jerry SeinfeIdJun 15, 20181 votes

I mean i love fighters and would love to see yi/jax/xin bot. but i just wanna play jinx and not feel like a burden to my team...

Meep ManJun 15, 20182 votes

I think there needs to be SMALL buffs for ADCs, whether direct or indirect. However, no where near where the game was before. The buffs I'm seeing on the PBE right now are about what I think is good. Small buffs like 1% more max health true damage on Vayne, 100 cheaper Infinity Edge, 20% more AD on the Jinx W, higher AD ratio on Tristana E, and small buffs on Twitch.

KlydeFrogJun 15, 20182 votes

Why does ie need to be buffed? It pretty much gives you 100% crit with only 2 crit items. It does true damage so whats the reason?. Trist needs nothing she will be flavor of the month and people like you will say she is meta or op right now even though nothing changed lol.

D357R0Y3RJun 15, 20182 votes

i don't get why IE is getting buffed either

but it's not like 100 gold buff will change anything tbh

tristana needs nothing

3% pick rate 45% win rate that's totally false but she doesn't need a buff she needs massive power shifting to be healthier

KlydeFrogJun 15, 20181 votes

Trist is fine the way she is. She is already stronger then pretty much every adc. Hence the whole flavor of the month. One of tge few adc with a self attack speed steriod . what you got kog and thats it varus doesnt count neither does ashe. Varus you need to kill things and its temp ashe is a spell so its kinda similar. She had 2 escapes one being her ult the other being rocket jump. And jump resets. People forgot about her trust me she is not weak

OtterlyLostJun 15, 20181 votes

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Trist is fine the way she is. She is already stronger then pretty much every adc. Hence the whole flavor of the month. One of tge few adc with a self attack speed steriod . what you got kog and thats it varus doesnt count neither does ashe. Varus you need to kill things and its temp ashe is a spell so its kinda similar. She had 2 escapes one being her ult the other being rocket jump. And jump resets. People forgot about her trust me she is not weak

Tristana's is a spell like Ashe's. ._. Its not like jinx who just passively attacks faster in minigun form. She has to have it up and available to actually use; it has down time.

KlydeFrogJun 15, 20181 votes

Minus trist has 2 escapes and a higher cap

OtterlyLostJun 16, 20182 votes

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Minus trist has 2 escapes and a higher cap

Trist has one escape; its a 22 second CD jump that is maxed last. She has a knock back that is her ultimate ability so an even longer CD than her Ult. Neither of these are problematic when most champions can engage fights half way across the lane. Yes, her jump is resetable but only on kills and assists and if she's already using that jump to escape, she's not going to get a reset anytime soon and her base MS is trash.

And Trist pains for a higher cap on her AS steroid in that she has to max it second and her AS growth through the game is below average along with her base AS also being lower than other ADCs. Jinx doesn't give up AS growth or have lower than average AS at level 1. And she gets to max that ability first. Neither does Ashe.

KlydeFrogJun 16, 20181 votes

You realize her jump resets on kill right

OtterlyLostJun 17, 20182 votes

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You realize her jump resets on kill right

... you realize I literally said that in my post, right? And then countered it with,"if she's already using that jump to escape, she's not going to get a reset anytime soon and her base MS is trash." Good reading skills.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

OtterlyLostJun 15, 20182 votes

I find it funny how top and mid mains are stuck on the idea that having different champs bot are ADCs main's problem and not the bigger more frustrating problem that a whole subsection of ADCs just feel bad to play and dont have lane variety themselves due to consistent nerfs and out cries to keep them out of solo lanes. You cant play tristana mid without getting obliterated by the champions that were specifically balanced to be there. You cant take twitch jungle realistically with the way jungle is set up right now. And you cant play Ashe too with the state of mobility there.

There have been multiple threads made by multiple mains who all say the same thing; that they want ADC lane diversity. That they want to be able to play ADCs somewhere besides bot lane if other champions who can play somewhere else are going to be allowed bot lane. ADC mains want diversity for their champions too as any attempt in the past to to take ADCs other places has been met with disdain and complaints. Other lanes need to share their lanes if ADCs are expected and forced to share theirs. It's in the sake of fairness.

PissedOffJunglerAug 4, 20191 votes

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I find it funny how top and mid mains are stuck on the idea that having different champs bot are ADCs main's problem and not the bigger more frustrating problem that a whole subsection of ADCs just feel bad to play and dont have lane variety themselves due to consistent nerfs and out cries to keep them out of solo lanes. You cant play tristana mid without getting obliterated by the champions that were specifically balanced to be there. You cant take twitch jungle realistically with the way jungle is set up right now. And you cant play Ashe too with the state of mobility there.

There have been multiple threads made by multiple mains who all say the same thing; that they want ADC lane diversity. That they want to be able to play ADCs somewhere besides bot lane if other champions who can play somewhere else are going to be allowed bot lane. ADC mains want diversity for their champions too as any attempt in the past to to take ADCs other places has been met with disdain and complaints. Other lanes need to share their lanes if ADCs are expected and forced to share theirs. It's in the sake of fairness.

Meanwhine : Lucian mid dominated for a long time, vayne top was one of the biggest cancer out there. Twitch CAN jungle, just because he cant for a patch or two doesn't mean he's bad for the role... not every marksmen has to be viable at every patch. Draven ezrael lucian were still fine on bot, if your argument that you cant play certain champs.. so what? Half of the junglers were shit for over a year and ezrael was fucking outjungling a dedicated jungler, also i fail to understand why adc players are still until today unable to learn different classes, while every damn role has to. The most broken role in the game that was consistently strong, with the exception of few patches, and with the largest playerbase of whiners. jesus.

OtterlyLostAug 5, 20191 votes

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Meanwhine : Lucian mid dominated for a long time, vayne top was one of the biggest cancer out there. Twitch CAN jungle, just because he cant for a patch or two doesn't mean he's bad for the role... not every marksmen has to be viable at every patch. Draven ezrael lucian were still fine on bot, if your argument that you cant play certain champs.. so what? Half of the junglers were shit for over a year and ezrael was fucking outjungling a dedicated jungler, also i fail to understand why adc players are still until today unable to learn different classes, while every damn role has to. The most broken role in the game that was consistently strong, with the exception of few patches, and with the largest playerbase of whiners. jesus.

Lucian mid had a 46% winrate at the height of its popularity and faded into obscurity.

Vayne top was never good unless Vayne herself was even a problem bot lane. And usually then, she still had the higher winrate in the bot lane.

Twitch Jungle is a cheese pick that preys on stupid people who don't know how to ward and play safe at level 2 so they don't get cheesed by his stealth+red buff combo. If you die to a Twitch jungle early, that's literally you being a moron; its Darwinism at its finest.

And no, not every marksmen has to be viable every patch. Tristana has been at a 46%-49% WR for patches, Varus is absolute trash, Kog'maw is only played by mains now, Kalista is consistently awful and if she's good, she's gutted immediately. And are we conveniently ignoring the entire half a season where the roster was a joke and couldn't function anywhere because their items sucked and their stats sucked, and they were getting shoved out by midlane champions?

Ezreal literally only jungled when he was trash bot lane, by the way. And again, it was a cheese pick for early game.

And I still fail to understand why we should be expected to just learn new champions? What, because people we don't know, don't like, and aren't interested in pleasing want us to? Hell no. I don't want to play mages/bruisers/tanks/whatever. If I did, I would have learned them. They don't appeal to me, they aren't fun to me, and, at the end of the day, this is a goddamn game. Wow, I know, hard to believe or grasp but League of Legends is a game. A game. And its first priority should always be about the fun that people get out of playing it.

If the class of champions I want to play and enjoy are garbage, I'm not having fun in this game, point blank. I shouldn't be expected to go and learn new a whole, completely different set of champions just to keep the entertainment value of this game up. Especially if its a class that, after trial and error, I have found is just one I flat out don't enjoy.

Also, no, the larges player base of whiners, hands down, are top mains. "Rito this champion is so broken, omg it destroys me, no make mages and range tops god awful, stop having junglers, why do you keep nerfing my over tuned keystone, waaaah, how come I have to play against a ranged bullshit champion even though all I have to do is build for my lane, boohoo."

Literally every top main ever whines about every thing that isn't melee or, hell, if it is melee and just happens to be tanky. Even if its designed to go top and expected to go top and has clear counters, top laners will cry and cry and cry until Riot gives up and guts whatever it is. Why are ADCs expected to share their lane with a menagerie of bullshit but top laners can have an entire lane to themselves for their dumb bruisers and also play those bruises in mid and jungle? Like, excuse me? You're really going to sit here and call ADC players whiny for being frustrated that for half a goddamn season they couldn't even play in their lane? In their only lane?

No, I won't be learning another class. No, my class isn't broken. And no, I'm not whining because I expect to be able to play my class in their only lane. Because, as we have seen multiple MULTIPLE times, an ADC leaving bot lane is like a 1960's house wife trying to leave the kitchen; oh they left? Better beat them into submission until they get back in that lane/kitchen.