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Dominick Destine3 votes

Never argue using outliers.

That's a terrible argument, that's like me flipping a coin 50 times and it coming up tails 50 times, therefore all coins will be tails no matter how many times they are thrown. That's nonsense. "But I proved that coins always fall on tails!!!!" This is your argument

ScissorsNstuff4 votes

I'm not arguing using outliers.. actually I'm just not arguing

please tell me what I said that sounds anything like "but I proved anything at all"

Otherwise your post is a strawman

Dominick Destine3 votes

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I'm not arguing using outliers.

Actually that's exactly what you're doing.

You can pretend it's a strawman but no one will play along.

ScissorsNstuff4 votes

Its a strawman and I wasn't arguing using outliers because I wasn't arguing, I was making an observation. You have no argument to point to.

I'm still waiting on that quote I asked for mister

Big Lincoln3 votes

now how many people play mord

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

kay?

WoonStruck2 votes

The 2014-2015 thing is a footnote that's just been ignored by champion.gg.

The data is up-to-date. That line of text is what needs changing.

WoonStruck1 votes

Morde's average Plat+ is 51%.

Vlad's is 40%.

Just something interesting.

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

Vlad's should always be low

he's a toxic stalemating counter pick that needs to be re-reworked lol

he's not that bad, it more a problem of being unfun

WoonStruck2 votes

And Morde isn't?

And Quinn isn't?

And Jayce isn't?

And Darius isn't?

And Illaoi isn't?

And Poppy isn't?

And Shen isn't?

And Sion isn't?

And Maokai isn't?

All of these champions have binary, usually considered unfun, laning phases. There's no reason Vlad needs to be the only one held down.

Even when he's strong, his laning is considerably weaker and more vulnerable than any of those when they're strong.

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

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And Morde isn't?

hence why he's treated differently

And Quinn isn't?

she's treated like a toplaner for this reason

And Jayce isn't?

he really isn't, but they seem to be messing around with ideas in his case

And Darius isn't?

no, he isn't. Hes just a lane bully. Its not the same thing

And Illaoi isn't?

she's a kindof new problem but has the same issue as vlad being that she's a drain tank, they are still in the middle of trying to wiggle around doing too much to her it seems

And Poppy isn't?

have you even been paying attention to whats been done with poppy in the past several years?

And Shen isn't?

shen is, that's why shen is treated like vlad but worse

And Sion isn't?

he isnt

And Maokai isn't?

correct, he isnt

All of these champions have binary, usually considered unfun, laning phases. There's no reason Vlad needs to be the only one held down.

binary is irrelevant, unfun in the context you speak is not the same as the anti-fun i'm talking about

Vlad isn't the only one held down, you're just biased and don't even realize how held back some of the champs you listed are

Even when he's strong, his laning is considerably weaker and more vulnerable than any of those when they're strong.

this is absolutely false, he's picked for his safe laning when he is strong.

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

It's the boards dude, it's one huge morde circle jerk.

Mordepool1 votes

Fyi before Rylais nerf. Some of the best averaged 75-80

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