Riven Mid? WHY WAS THIS VIABLE!?! Why was this... so stupidly OP???

TengenToppaGnar··1 votes·4,225 views

THE BUILD

LET ME CLARIFY RIGHT NOW!!!!!

THE PROBLEM IS THE BUILD!!!!!

Anyone remotely like Riven, could abuse it, though I'd wager Riven or Yasuo(Oh fuck god no) would be the worst offenders. Anyone who knows Season 1 should remember the constant call to Nerf Flash, now any jackass can have a 3Minute CD Flash. God forbid they have a kit like Riven that lets them Hard Dive enemies, while having a free 10 Lethality from the get-go.

Where this comes from? Kept wondering why a number of randoms were trying to take Riven MID on my alternate account. One finally got through, no dodges, and she's abusing the absolute hell out of CDR on Summoner Spells, and Lethality, for with 3 Moves, I and any other unlucky player can say goodbye to 1500+HP. So not only does she have a 3 minute Flash, she's acting like an assassin and straight up deleting anyone who wasn't getting protected by the Support's Heal+Shield(Sona Heal) O_o I imagine a lot of champs can abuse this, especially if Sudden Impact can be considered permanently in effect with LOW ENOUGH CD on their Dash/Blink/etc ability, making early damage higher than hell.

Sooo, yeah all in all, I really want to see the Spell Book get a huge nerf in the SS CDR area, and .... the Salty Player's favorite words "NERF FUCKING LETHALITY" This isn't hate on Riven or any other champion, but if this build becomes Meta, Riven and similar champs will definitely get permabanned.

Basically what we're looking at is- Literally 30 to 40% CDR on Summoner Spells, if they build the Lucid Boots 45% CDR on ABilities, which is already annoying to begin with, lets be honest The CDR above translates into 10 Lethality every time she used E. All Lethality/Armor Reduc items give CDR for some reason, so this will happen everytime. THIS IS BEING PLAYED MID, not Top, so I don't like the thought of this roaming.

The Build- Inspiration(P) and Domination(S) Unsealed Spellbook(25% SUMMON SPELL CDR< WTF IS THIS~!?) Inspired trait 1 (doesn't have much bearing) 10 Min Boots were taken, likely to make diving easier) Cosmic Insight. From Domination, Sudden Impact is a must, 2nd is probably whatever you prefer. For Items, the usual Lethality crap, Duskblade, Youmuu's, along with other Armor Reducers like Black Cleaver, or Standards Penetration even from the Last Whisper Lines, and a truly annoying player would use Lucid Boots, but I think 30% alone is pretty strong.

What I'm looking at Nerf wise: Nerf on the Runes primarily, especially Unsealed Spellbook, maybe 10% CDR on SS instead??? Sudden Impact, probably Nerf the CD, so its more like 10 seconds, instead of 4, which is why I called it Permanent 10 Lethality from the get go. And, I'm sure most people are thinking, Nerf the Lethality Items, even gutting the CDR in them would be doing something proactive if you won't drop the Lethality total.

16 Comments

dunder kill2 votes

Deleting a thread because it gets downvoted then reposting it isn't allowed btw

P.S. Riven mid had always been a thing and was actually a pocket pick for Faker

TengenToppaGnar1 votes

The previous had a positive score but was being presented incorrectly, so it was deleted due to the salt content that brewed due to it.

dunder kill2 votes

It didn't though lol

TengenToppaGnar1 votes

It actually did at the time of deletion, just read it. Everyone thought I was calling for a Riven Nerf, what I'm thinking needs to be nerfed is the kit that was used on her, so calm your Riven Main Complaints.

dunder kill2 votes

I mean what's the point of making false accusations like calling me a Riven main when anyone can just look up what I play and see I never play Riven?

TengenToppaGnar1 votes

Listen, dude, stop giving me salt and just move along. I can't prove you are, you can't prove you truly aren't(Smurfs/Alternate Accounts Exist :P)

Your first comment is/was passive-aggressive, so I made the most basic assumption.

dunder kill1 votes

I wasn't giving you salt, but you're giving me plenty. I was informing you of a rule you were breaking, which you did. That isn't salt. A police officer telling you why you were pulled over isn't salt. Your supervisor or coworker informing you of the company policy you broke isn't salt. A random stranger asking you to pick up the garbage you just threw on the ground isn't salt.

Anyway, it still doesn't make sense for me to have exactly zero mastery points on a champ that you claim I main regardless of alt accounts

redniwediS1 votes

"Kit" refers to the set of abilities a champion has. I think you're using the wrong word.

TengenToppaGnar1 votes

I'm not the most "game-speak fluent" I'll edit properly if you help me by pointing out the correct words to use.

I generally use words that Grammatically speaking make sense. Like what makes up a First-Aid Kit, I think in that matter, but I guess the word is "Build"

redniwediS2 votes

The main reason Summoner Spell CDR is strong is because people do not expect it. As a top lane main I give Riven the respect she deserves when her flash is up, so if a Riven has reduced spell cooldown I can't use my usual frame of reference. Adapt or die, as the saying goes.

Let me put it this way, there's a reason they are playing this mid lane instead of top. Take the lessons top lane mains already know and adapt it to mid.

TengenToppaGnar1 votes

I don't play Mid, lol, thank god, but its a pretty oppressive build. I still remember Season 1, people called Rito constantly to NERF Flash, and the fact she has it now every 3 minutes after the last one.... Its kinda... sorta... game-breaking.

Like this is a crazy brilliant build, I'm not gonna lie, but jeez, I already hate getting Flash Stunned by Riven and other champs, now I gotta deal with it every 3 minutes WITH LETHALITY, ayee.... I Need an adult!

redniwediS1 votes

That was back when Flash started becoming meta, and pushed Ghost out into a few niche cases. Players started pressuring each other to take Flash, and that caused the uproar about Flash.

This definitely isn't the first time top laners have gone mid because they saw an opportunity for cheese (oh how I miss the old, pre-lethality assassin mid meta, I'd go Garen mid and stomp them), but if it's anything like the previous ones mid lane will eventually learn.

TengenToppaGnar1 votes

Hmm, I wonder about that, also wonder why people are down-voting this instead of adding something constructive like you have.

Regardless, I'd say a lot of Cheese comes from Sudden Impact combined with any ability that procs it on a low CD. That and, lot of people like to save their Flash for when the enemy flash dives... now they got gamble with the devil. Burn it and hope to recover, or save it, knowing the enemy will have their back long before you get yours again.

redniwediS1 votes

It's definitely an interesting situation to be in. I'm a Garen main personally, so I have my W to rely on when someone like Riven goes all in. It's on a 20 something second cooldown, so I know I'll have it up. Riven takes a fair amount of mechanical skill to play, so most people playing her are focused on the mechanics instead of game knowledge things like "Garen uses his W to block most of my damage, I should try and bait it before using everything".

Mid laners could try picking champions with defenses built into their kits. Fizz, post-6 Azir, and Xerath all have decently fast panic buttons they can use, or a more traditional counter like Ryze or Malz could work. Rushing a Zhonyas wouldn't outright save you, but it could buy some much needed time here and there.

Sudden Impact is definitely an odd one though. There are so many champions who make wonderful use of it up top lane. Guess I've just gotten used to it, because I didn't really consider it being a problem in a lane with so many immobile champions.

41124415DEL11 votes

This is more like it , ur other title was "When will riven receive a huge nerf?". And Riven doesent need any nerfs cuz she is pretty balanced in my opinion as a champ.

TengenToppaGnar1 votes

She doesn't and that wasn't the title, but I'll let it go. The match put me in a bad mood, despite victory, so I kinda just typed whatever came to mind at the moment. I suppose I meant it in a joking matter, cause look at the latest patch. Lot of hate coming out from it and bewilderment at how slight Zoe's nerfs were and how dramatic Heimer got in his Ultimate Q, lol.

I apologize if I seemed super salty, it was a joke that Rito would Nerf Riven into Oblivion instead of the actual offender that was the Rune page and items she built.

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