Seriously , since gosu made the Youmuu > TForce build popular on vayne , all of the vaynes are using it and it just covers her weakness , the early game.With the youmuu she can escape so fast + gains the needed attack speed and in combination with TForce + 3 points in Q , one Q of her deals at level 8-9 almost half of your hp , in fact she is uncatchable now with the phage passive + youmuu....
RcGjWO640w6 votesThe point is that Youmou's is a god-like early buy on ANY AD. Safety in the laning phase while still being able to deal good damage is the boon of every ADC. And since it's a slightly faster to build than IE or ER, it makes it really good at maintaining a lead since its overall stat buffs with its AD, armor pen and active, easily means it can outclass both of those other options most of the time, the only drawback being that it delays your build of any meaningful crit until later.
Vayne just happens to be able to use it more effectively with the nature of her kiting mechanics. Other ADC's who are also strong with it include, but are not limited to: ALL OF THEM.
WoonStruck2 votesIt doesn't change that Vayne's draw is supposed to be kiting and her W, overall, yet tumble alone deals just as much damage as her W now that it can crit and got a massive 40% buff in its effectiveness alongside that.
The only way to balance her while maintaining those changes would be to remove her AD bonus on her ult and gut her base AD.
She's going to end up in professional again once Youmuu's+TF ends up in the spotlight, otherwise once crit is actually decent again. She'll be pick or ban. Watch.
RcGjWO640w2 votesI get what you're saying, but you're not looking at it from a comparable standpoint. Take an ADC like Ashe who has both a slow and an MS + AS buff with Youmuu's. With this build, theoretically, Ashe should be even more broken, since she's kiting you with double effectiveness and she doesn't even have a dash or movement ability.
My point is not that Youmuu's isn't really powerful on Vayne. It's that it's really powerful on everyone for exactly the same reasons. Kiting, asstons of damage and armor pen. What more could any ADC ever ask out of an item other than crit?
Plus, that's what Vayne does. She stacks attack speed and basically just lets her W procs do all of the work for her, since consistent True Damage is so powerful. Regardless, it's less an issue with Vayne's kit and more an issue with how prevalent Youmuu's is in pretty much everyone's builds now. Every AD champion in the game is building Youmuu's simply because it's just too good not to get.
WoonStruck1 votesAshe, Jhin, and Sivir are still considered completely broken, FYI.
So, I get what you're saying, but you're not looking at it from a comparable standpoint.
All Riot's done is made Vayne completely broken alongside them. Just wait. Its coming.
Sightless661 votesShe'll be pick or ban. Watch.
You know, I swear I've been been seeing people post this about Vayne every time anything involving her has happened throughout the last year. And every time, they've been wrong.
People already tried a Youmu's into Triforce build earlier in the season. It was popular in Korea for a while following the triforce changes. People eventually concluded that it was weaker than her main build, which was already weak, and it got dropped pretty quickly. These changes make that build a bit better, to the point where it's clearly competing with her main build, but it's still not enough to make her even an average ADC in terms of power. Given how completely absent she's been from pro play this season compared to other AD carries, I am extremely skeptical of the claim that a small buff will take a build people already tried, and make it pick/ban. I just don't buy it.
tumble alone deals just as much damage as her W now that it can crit
You have a misunderstanding of this change. The exact text of the change was "Fixed a bug where Tumble's bonus damage was using an independent crit roll instead of being tied to the same crit roll as Vayne's basic attack. " This means that Vayne's tumble could already crit, but the crit for the bonus damage would proc independently of the crit for her normal autoattack damage.
The funny thing is, this buggy interaction was actually good for Vayne. Bugfixing it actually decreased her expected dps in any scenario where she has crit but has less than 65% crit. The mathematical explanation for why is detailed in this reddit thread. This is why you can see a decrease in her winrate in patch 6.15 and 6.16 (the bugfix was in 6.15), despite a negligible increase in her playrate and then a decrease in her playrate compared to 6.14, and despite her actually getting a straight buff to tower damage in the same patch. This is also a factor in the switch to the Ghostblade Triforce build. Because it doesn't have crit until the third item, it's not affected by the nerf to her dps when she has crit, so it did not lose as much power as the mainstream build did.
This is a large factor in why she's not too strong right now. The recent tumble buff brought her winrate back up to around 48%, which is where it was before her accidental nerf. She wasn't pick/ban before, and going back to a previously tested build won't do it for her now.
CookyPrince1 votesI've never tried youmuu's on 
I don't think it synergizes well on her or 
morris11 votesAssassin Ezreal is pretty cheesy if you manage to get ahead.
RcGjWO640w1 votesCaitlyn with Youmuu's is actually very good. It's not a good first item and is much better after building Runnan's, but after that, the flat AD, armor pen and active means that she's able to get off more headshot procs faster. Caitlyn is a retarded teamfight ADC and Youmuu's active is perfect for most teamfights since it lasts the duration and means that the early damage spike is higher. She shreds tanks faster and blows up squishies as well as giving her more mobility to reposition herself as well as dodge incoming skillshots.
It means that Caitlyn is allowed to build more attack speed without sacrificing any AD in the process. IE + Greaves + Runnan's + Youmuu's is just so much damage from a carry standpoint and will just destroy people.
Lady Hammerlock4 votesYeah because you could literally pick any ADC to counter vayne or hell PICK LITERALLY ANYTHING that isn't Sivir and you've countered Vayne
Hawkefire1 votesI disagree. Frankly there are really only 2 adcs that I consider are counters to vayne:
Draven (earlygame only, because her ult fucks draven over) Caitlyn (Cait screws vayne over at all stages of the game pretty much)
The key to countering vayne IMHO is with your support. Heavy duty poke supports, or hard engage supports really screw vayne over early game. If your support is neither of those things and you aren't one of the above adcs you will have a really hard time shutting a good vayne down.
Lady Hammerlock1 votesI disagree. Frankly there are really only 2 adcs that I consider are counters to vayne:
Draven (earlygame only, because her ult fucks draven over) Caitlyn (Cait screws vayne over at all stages of the game pretty much)
The key to countering vayne IMHO is with your support. Heavy duty poke supports, or hard engage supports really screw vayne over early game. If your support is neither of those things and you aren't one of the above adcs you will have a really hard time shutting a good vayne down.
Don't forget ashe, late game Vayne can screw her but early-mid Ashe can do pretty well against her
Hawkefire1 votesEhh, it's pretty much a skill match-up between the two. It really depends on who Ashe has for a support and who causes has for a support.
The Deckowner1 votesTBH with a good support match up sivir can just shove vayne in over and over
Wiz the Great3 votesYou mean the build that nobody goes for and that gosu is going to drop in few days again?
DunkinNoobs3 votes6900 gold worth of items is all you need to remove Vaynes weak early game? Damn son. That's almost as good as the 6200 gold you need for 
to get rid of Yasuo's weak early game.
WoonStruck1 votesYasuo's weak early game.
Lol.
TyroneWatermelon2 voteslol Vayne fanboys incoming. Riot are autistic anyway for giving her tumble 2 second cd without cdr from the start. And she shouldn't have got the bonus damage buff.
Veltox2 votesRetarded design with toxic playerbase you can't expect her to be truly balanced ever.
sdsdfdf1 votesr u drunk
Hawkefire1 votesRiot revert something? Hahahahahahahaha.
The Deckowner1 votesI have nevwr seem anyone use that build outside of gosu, and he is probably gonna drop it sooner or later.
LankPants1 votesIt's almost like Youmuu's is the problem. Seriously, why this item's active hasn't been made melee only to curb the abuse cases of so many ADCs is beyond me.
