[Idea] A new type of champions to counter mobility creep

333lom·Feb 22, 2015·2 votes·649 views

Could this even be possible? As far as I can see, every type of champions has another that's good against, and the other that's week against. Assassins have been getting on my nerves because I play immobile champions, etc. A lot of people have been complaining about the massive mobility many new champions are getting, and some are demanding that mobility gets removed. But what if a new class could be created, specifically designed to counter mobility champions, while being weak against some other type?

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ModThe DjinnFeb 22, 20152 votes

This class of champion technically does exist: Tank

Mobility is countered by crowd control. Tanks bring the most crowd control to a team.

This doesn't make it a hard counter, and I'll admit that tanks in general are suffering a bit due to the strength of crowd-control-carrying initiation bruisers in the current meta, but crowd control is the counter to almost all the mobility in the game.

Making a whole new "class" of champions to counter mobility would be a design mistake, especially because "mobility" isn't an inherent trait of any class. Instead it's something present in all types of champions. We have tanks with high mobility abilities (Sejuani, Jarvan IV, Vi), fighters with high mobility (Renekton, Riven, Kha'Zix, Lee Sin), mages with high mobility (Ahri, LeBlanc)...the list goes on in virtually every role.

333lomFeb 23, 20151 votes

You're right, mobility isn't a trait of only one class. I wonder if something is going to be changed with some types of CC, or a new type added, because I think Riot said they want to remove the point-and-click CC, because there's no counterplay to that, and that's true.

ModThe DjinnFeb 24, 20151 votes

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You're right, mobility isn't a trait of only one class. I wonder if something is going to be changed with some types of CC, or a new type added, because I think Riot said they want to remove the point-and-click CC, because there's no counterplay to that, and that's true.

I think we'll only see new types of CC added if they really have a place in the game and really fit a champion's theme. The list is already pretty large: knock-ups, knock-backs, flings/pulls, slows, snares, roots, stuns, silences, blinds, fears, polymorph, charm, taunts and suppressions. Any new type of CC with different rules needs to be carefully considered.

333lomFeb 24, 20151 votes

Of course, everything new will be carefully considered, especially since the game is already very complex and each type is intrically connected to the other. But I meant the cast method: we have point-and-click for now, and skillshots. Is there something else? Though I can't think of anything different than those two.

ModThe DjinnFeb 24, 20151 votes

{quoted}Of course, everything new will be carefully considered, especially since the game is already very complex and each type is intrically connected to the other. But I meant the cast method: we have point-and-click for now, and skillshots. Is there something else? Though I can't think of anything different than those two.

Ah. Well, we have a few methods of targeting something: Point-and-click, linear skill-shot, targeted AoE skill-shot, non-targeted AoE (centered on you), semi-targeted AoE (typically cones extending from your champion), vector-targeted AoE skill-shot (Rumble and Viktor), and global non-targeted abilities (Karthus Ult, Soraka Ult). Everything else that doesn't fit nicely into the above categories is typically a variation of one of them.

I'm not sure there IS much else we could do as far as targeting is concerned, honestly. This covers pretty much all of the "ability hits enemy automatically" and pretty much every way of saying "ability MAY hit enemy if you use it right." I'm having trouble coming up with a third method of casting that isn't point-and-click or some variation of "direct the ability's area through your positioning or the positioning of your cursor, with the potential to miss."

The DrewprintFeb 22, 20151 votes

No. Introducing a whole new class, while it does sound appealing, would break the system Riot is still in the process of balancing correctly.

If you want to counter a mobility champ, play a mobility champ. Or abuse CDs. Or CC.

Take your pick.

ThefriendlyorcFeb 22, 20151 votes

Even abusing CC is a dying light of hope in this meta. Its beyond just 'mobility lets them get kills' So much of it is manaless mobility, so it allows objective control as well. You ever tried to split push against a Nidalee? Or a team with a lee? Wont happen.

The DrewprintFeb 22, 20151 votes

I'm shocked that you really believe that. Mobility =/= invincibility. There are many moments where they will be left vulnerable. One exception to this, is if they are fed and are snowballing, then killing them gets tougher, but not outright impossible.

Whether they have a resource or no, there has always been ways of dealing with them. No champ can escape the inevitable.

ThefriendlyorcFeb 22, 20151 votes

Not invincible, constantly out of reach. Nearly invincible. They cover a large area of the map in moments, always in the position they need to be in, never out of position, as safety is a button press away in 90% of situations.