I just had a game against a riven that complained about how broken "league of ardent" was on our lulu. What she failed to realize however, was that our lulu didn't even have an ardent. In fact, literally no one in the game had an ardent at that point.
Seriously guys, I know the item has been strong but it's basically a witch hunt at this point.
So you had a solo queue game against a tilted Riven and that means what exactly?
haha, i did the same last time with the first version of warlord's, was up against a yasuo which was also champ i hated to the core too. after bitching for 10 minutes in about how OP that shit was, he pointed out he took thunderlord's. hella embarassing situation, but it comes with the salt.
It's because this community is easily manipulated and the placebo effect is always in full force. Everything that's 'popular' or widely used is "unhealthy". And the competitive scene enforces almost everything even if the community doesn't actually understand why/how it's powerful, especially if we're a couple patches ahead.
It's not anything new really. Ardent is still strong but the levels of exaggeration are crazy. If you were to not build Ardent in favour of another item (like Locket or Redemption, Crucible etc...) then the power shift isn't that different considering you'd just be benefiting from something else (and it really comes down to how your ADC/team is snowballing. Ardent is a 'win more' item a lot of the time; doesn't immediately turn around a game like another item can/could. Ardent itself usually just allows your ADC/team to snowball harder than they already were -- otherwise it's not that powerful).
I played a game as Janna and our cass fed and then blamed it on me for not being able to carry.... I'm the support, building full support items and no damage. You are the power house full ap mage.... you think because I have ardent I can win the game? Come on fam
I still don't build it, I just grab Righteous Glory on Taric and pummel the enemy support to death. Usually works.
Well if some random dumbass raging in all chat complained about Ardent, then clearly we have a witch hunt on our hands. Throw out the numbers and everything we know, this drunk Riven player should be a sign to all of you that Ardent isn't a problem in terms of power, efficiency, or forced itemization.
None of this changes the fact that ardent is incredibly broken though?
Ardent is the main offender, but shielding abilities are also a problem.
TBH Ardent was pretty much nerfed last patch, which puts it in an "okay" place. Still does the damage, but it doesn't add an effect that heals champs who attack anymore.
My problem with disarming this item would be this: If on the losing team, It's probably the only chance your team has to push back early minion waves once an inhibitor is down.
Also, it's not like Twitch and Kog's Damage addies don't FAR outstrip Ardent. Or the massive damage a Janna adds.
its not just ardent the support role has lost all balance.
Shield's are incredibly powerful right now. Being able to give your whole team a 1k+ shield as a tank jungler is locket is insane. If your adc can get 2K+ worth of shields and damage boosts from their support they are too hard to burst. Assassins become hard to be successful on. If you can't burst an adc with an assassin your champ becomes unplayable. Which means the game turns into tanks and adcs, which is where we currently are.
Riven was dumb, but so is Ardent... and so is Lulu.
Games I play Ardent I'm honestly so UNinteractive with the enemy team it's unreal. I see my adc is autoattacking so I shield/heal them. They'll win every trade. Someone jumps on them I peel. You get bored of the powerrush REAL fast.
I want my victories in my own hands, related to my own skills. Whether that's good or bad. I don't want to win by statchecking, and to auto-lose because I chose not to.
Yours sincerely, your support.
Ardent so OP Ardent Censer supports don't even have to buy it for da as/healz/shieldz
Whenever someone tells that the ardent meta isn't that bad: https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--LUMrgfND--/t_Preview/b_rgb:262c3a,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1479033468/production/designs/814020_1.jpg
Maybe the riven wasn't talking about this particular lulu in this particular game, just ardent on lulu in general. ;)
And yea lulu is so fking cancer, the shits brokenly anti fun even without ardent
Or even better when people accuse you of trolling because you didn't rush it before boots and sightstone.
Ardent is no way as bad as before.
The thing is, Adent has always been powerful, people didn't seem to realize it until it got the shield boost.
I honestly would just complain about lulu, I thought enchanters were already overloaded and unfair pieces of non-interaction already before that item existed.
Riot has never properly balanced healing and shielding for a PvP game and i don't think they ever will.
Come on, it's one player out of millions.
Lulu is broken as hell though, thats probably what she meant.
The damage creep creates a shielding creep, which becomes a serious problem. The overall problem with the game is the item components, you used to have larger defined break points of item gains (i.e. Buy a giants belt) but now you can buy a piece that upgrades to a larger item (ruby crystal into giants belt), which makes it difficult to balance those spikes across early, mid, and late game
My brand support took ardent censer and we lost. What did we do wrong ?
