Support Champiom Mastery???

Wettest Nami NA·Jun 29, 2016·5 votes·16,738 views

I just read the Patch Notes for patch 6.13 and was suprised to see that champion mastery for supports wasn't in there. On a post from Riot they said they knew Supports were having trouble recieving S's in game because of how it is calculated.

I guess this question is more meant for a Rioter than anyone. Anyways, is the ward experience and the item buffs suppose to be the help supports need to get the S? Cause if so Thank You! but if not what happened? Did you decide its actually not that bad? I just want to know im feeling a little gimped since I saw nothing about this topic in the Patch Notes.

25 Comments

RiotMeddlerJun 29, 201610 votes

Changes to Support grades in Champ Mastery took a bit longer than hoped unfortunately. Current prediction is they should be in 6.14 instead though.

Deep Terror NamiJun 29, 20168 votes

Are you able to now or will they with the announcement tell us what changed about it? I know the system is kept vague intentionally, but more vague info is still welcome :3

DrCyanideJun 29, 20163 votes

Hopefully games like this become an S:

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2228189695/42846069?tab=stats

73% kill participation
Most wards placed in the game (almost 2x anyone else, almost 3x enemy support )
Most wards killed in the game
Most wards bought in the game
More damage dealt to enemy champions than the enemy Irelia top
Healing only behind Vlad and Soraka, because that's where it's suppose to be

Oh, but 1 death. No S.

BlackquillJun 29, 20161 votes

If you had stolen 2 more kills it would have been an S.

Miś KołalaJun 29, 20161 votes

Hi. I just saw this 1 DEATH NO S and I wanted to tell you that last time I played Soraka (last week, ranked game, I am platinum), I did something like 3/9/39 and I got S, so, I don't know what are you talking about :d

Wettest Nami NAJun 29, 20161 votes

Oh wow, first time I ask a question to a rioter and got a response first try. :D Anyways, thank you! I just wanted to know.

Avarosan BonnieJun 29, 20162 votes

Thanks for asking this question. I want to get level six (hopefully seven) mastery with Nam-Nams someday myself, and I was curious as to why the patch notes left this out. Glad to hear it's still coming. I'm so happy they're acknowledging this.

May the tides carry you to victory!

Wettest Nami NAJun 29, 20161 votes

I thought my post was a little ironic. Before I even saw the post about the mastery change i needed 1 more S and was having a very hard time getting that last one for mastery 7.

After I posted this I played 2 games and the second one I got an S and was able to get mastery 7.

But I understand that there is a problem. I dont know if you have to win to get a S+ but I went 6/0/35...lost...but got only an S but i didnt care. Got my Mastery 7 Nami.

P.S. Good Luck to you in your champion mastery.

elon wątrobaJun 29, 20162 votes

I remember that I got s+ for 5/1/+/-15 in 20 min on her.

CowMeatJun 29, 20161 votes

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Changes to Support grades in Champ Mastery took a bit longer than hoped unfortunately. Current prediction is they should be in 6.14 instead though.

The current system is pretty flawed. You can go 0/0/20 as a support in a short and dominant win and not get an S. You can also just farm, play safe, not worry about objectives, and get an S as a solo laner as your team gets completely destroyed.

AMYS GRAVEJun 29, 20161 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2227067801/219621458?tab=overview

apparently i don't understand how supports are graded, because this game got me an S. Most deaths on my team, several of which were silly getting caught out while warding.

Mysticman89Jun 29, 20161 votes

I'm surprised it's that difficult to do.

I would have figured you've just got your various metrics for performance (probably as a percentile relative to others in that champ/role for each metric), and then various weightings for each of those metrics, and then it's all pulled together to produce a final performance score, which itself is looked at as a percentile to determine your final grade.

For supports, I feel like the biggest people most people have is the relative weighting of kills compared to assists. Options to address that include just looking at kills+assists and grading that as opposed to kills/assists separately, or just directly changings the weights (so being in the top 1% for kills on a support is only as impactful as being in the top 40% for assists or something).

Alternatively, perhaps you could be looking at entirely new metrics to consider (amount shielded/healed and that sort of thing), which would likely disproportionately impact support grading compared to other roles.

It'll be interesting to see what is produced. Hopefully some amount of detail will be given instead of a vague 'support grading has been tweaked'.

OrseilleJun 29, 20161 votes

and riot thought it was a good idea to not say anything about it, but let the user ask first?

When does Riot get what communication is about?

Dungeon WarlordJun 29, 20161 votes

The experience level difference needs to be adjusted , but I'm in bronze and I get S grades all the time as support so I don't really know what you mean by it's hard? I have had a few S games on Blitzcrank Nami Morgana at least, as well as others who don't show in my inventory as I don't have enough essence or whatever i need to unlock level 6 for those ones yet.

I have an S rating on these Amumu Soraka Heimerdinger Janna Zyra TahmKench AurelionSol Volibear Malphite Thresh Bard Nautilus Gragas Lulu Sivir Sejuani

that's not to say I always get S ratings just that if I am in bronze and can get an S rating on all of those champions, either I'm in the wrong rank or the rating system is a bit weird.

rokkuranJun 29, 20161 votes

It is because Champion Mastery heavily relies on CS and Kills (among other things) to get better ratings; two things supports shouldn't really be doing. So getting rank 6/7 is hard to get S ratings, especially on your low damage supports like Soraka. I would be taking a guess, considering your rank, that you got a majority of the S games because you had damage runes/masteries/items over supportive ones.

Dungeon WarlordJun 29, 20161 votes

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It is because Champion Mastery heavily relies on CS and Kills (among other things) to get better ratings; two things supports shouldn't really be doing. So getting rank 6/7 is hard to get S ratings, especially on your low damage supports like Soraka. I would be taking a guess, considering your rank, that you got a majority of the S games because you had damage runes/masteries/items over supportive ones.

Nope I got most of my S grades from having a few kills not many deaths and lots of assists, and doing all the good things a support does like place wards etc .

I do use support runes/masteries when I play. Just as I use other runes/masteries when I play other roles.

CarmesimJun 29, 20161 votes

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It is because Champion Mastery heavily relies on CS and Kills (among other things) to get better ratings; two things supports shouldn't really be doing. So getting rank 6/7 is hard to get S ratings, especially on your low damage supports like Soraka. I would be taking a guess, considering your rank, that you got a majority of the S games because you had damage runes/masteries/items over supportive ones.

Not true at all. I have a S+ game on Soraka with no kills.

CowMeatJun 29, 20161 votes

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Not true at all. I have a S+ game on Soraka with no kills.

I think they count healing. If your support shields instead of heals or is a tank it's hard to get an S. It's actually way easier to get an S as a bad support taking kills, CS, not buying a sightstone, letting your ADC die instead of you, not worrying about map objectives, etc.

Wettest Nami NAJun 29, 20161 votes

I can't really speak towards your success, but congratz. Some people such as myself are struggling to get S's to achieve mastery 6 and 7. If Riot never said they were going to edit it I wouldn't have even posted anything.

mimimiJun 29, 20162 votes

Support main from Plat here. I also have an S on a lot of those champions. The problem isn't that it is impossible to get S ratings on Support, it just is way harder than for roles where you actively farm. From what i understand, theyll weigh in things like warding etc more for us in the future. Personally, I can't wait - it's always a bit sad if you and your adc have been doing very well together, then they get an S and you end up with A+.

WorthlessJun 29, 20163 votes

I go 2/1/30+ in Plat and get A+. (Janna for example)

In order to get badge for her, I went premade with diamond smurfing on level 5, we went a normal game and he let me take 10+ kills.

Hardstuck G4Jun 29, 20161 votes

My duo just got level 7 Nami last night, in about a month and a half after I did on Lucian, I feel bad for him

Lexanomical UnitJun 30, 20161 votes

I'm so sad. 2/0/20 Nami with most wards, most healing. A+ Meanwhile I've gotten S+ with 0/5/35 on Soraka. I honestly feel cheated with how the support masteries are :/

Sexy Jack RabbitJul 3, 20161 votes

As far as it goes people still do not understand how the champion mastery system works. It is based off of the average grading of that champion in your region. I.e Nami will have an average of 2/2/25 and 35 cs for an example. Get a certain percent over that and you will have succeeded. The biggest issue that lies in supports is that a lot of games you will be lucky too get over 30 cs, and when you do, you might have only gotten 1 kill. So you may go 0/2/44 and 50 cs as Nami , but you haven't succeeded the average kill count, and as a result, do not earn an S. There are times in which having exceedingly high Assists compared to Kills will override that statistic but it's all face value. This is one of the reasons why Sona's have the highest success rate when it comes to Earning S- and further rankings. Due to the fact her kit allows for accidental kills of CS and Enemies now and then.