That new Assassin item should ring alarm bells in your head, Riot

Stiv1234··5 votes·1,018 views

It has been just over one year since the removal of DFG. Im gonna quote the reasoning:

>Our initial goal with Deathfire Grasp was to make a "tank-busting" item that could do exactly that: bust down tanks when they're knocking on the front door. After the introduction of Liandry's Torment, however, tank-busting was replaced with tank-burning and, instead, Deathfire Grasp became the item for assassins to stack another nuke spell on top of their already burst-heavy kits. While we like to keep itemization options available for those who want it, the sheer existence of Deathfire Grasp has given us a few headaches in the past and present:

> 1.) Adding Deathfire Grasp to a bursty kit really amps up that "woah what happened to me" moment when someone nukes you from orbit. In the past, when we see mages pick up a DFG to double-down on their burst, we've had to balance around that champion which, in turn, makes them even more reliant on DFG to blow people up (or they get changed so much they find an alternative playstyle). Vicious cycle.

>2.) Deathfire Grasp also adds a lot more reliability to a mage's assassination attempts, which means they need to commit less for them. If, for example, Ahri only needs to use one charge of Spirit Rush to nuke her target (with DFG + Q + W), she frees herself to use her other two charges to get back to safety. If we accept this will always happen with DFG, Ahri ends up without a lot of extra 'power budget' to do other cool mage-y things like sustained damage or kiting.

Number 2 is applicable in pretty much exactly the same way for Duskblade. Has Riot already forgotten this or what caused the sudden change in thought?

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Best KhaZix Void4 votes

name one AD assassin that would have their kit open up to the level of ahri's with the addition of this item.

Dominick Destine3 votes

Talon

Best KhaZix Void2 votes

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Talon

Not even close.

Quepha4 votes

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name one AD assassin that would have their kit open up to the level of ahri's with the addition of this item.

Nocturne Irelia Mundo Aatrox Master Yi Illaoi Xin Zhao Jarvan IV There are probably like a dozen others

Assassins that aren't assassins (yet)

Best KhaZix Void2 votes

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Nocturne Irelia Mundo Aatrox Master Yi Illaoi Xin Zhao Jarvan IV There are probably like a dozen others

Assassins that aren't assassins (yet)

are you just listing names or are you actually gonna tell me why?

because last I checked, none of those champions have targetted, ranged nukes or mobility beyond 1 dash (some have none at all)

Quepha2 votes

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are you just listing names or are you actually gonna tell me why?

because last I checked, none of those champions have targetted, ranged nukes or mobility beyond 1 dash (some have none at all)

All of them have mobility to allow them to pick their targets but usually only deal sustained damage to make up for their ability to soak hits. This new item amplifies their mediocre burst to make them into assassins that aren't intended to be assassins just like how DFG pigeonholed champs like Ahri into being AP assassins.

Best KhaZix Void2 votes

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All of them have mobility to allow them to pick their targets but usually only deal sustained damage to make up for their ability to soak hits. This new item amplifies their mediocre burst to make them into assassins that aren't intended to be assassins just like how DFG pigeonholed champs like Ahri into being AP assassins.

champions that can't burst aren't suddenly going to become burst gods with this item. it doesn't amplify any of their damage, it just adds another proc at the end of their rotation, which doesn't even go through if they kill them before it pops. not only that, but it's on a 2 minute cooldown, that's hardly a reason to go apeshit.

Not only THAT. but all the champions you listed would have no business building this item when there are so many items already in the game that do their job better without being a massive gold sink good for only its passive.

Ahri wasn't "pidgeonholed" by DFG, it let her do leblanc tier burst with 2 abilities because it AMPLIFIED DAMAGE. This isn't a damage amp, this is a delayed execute proc'd on autos. DPS hates this item and would never buy it, and the passive's usefulness is extremely niche given how long the cooldown is and how it essentially doesn't exist until you actually need it.

Quepha2 votes

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This isn't a damage amp, this is a delayed execute proc'd on autos.

when you deal damage, it causes your opponent to have missing health the proc deals 25% missing health your burst basically deals 25% of its damage a second time it also works on damage your allies did, but that's just a bonus.

Best KhaZix Void1 votes

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when you deal damage, it causes your opponent to have missing health the proc deals 25% missing health your burst basically deals 25% of its damage a second time it also works on damage your allies did, but that's just a bonus.

You're arguing semantics because you can't actually respond to the rest of my post. (By the way, deathfire's damage applied immediately as an ampflication, the execute, meanwhile ,applies immediately after, meaning it can be cleansed with QSS, healed through, shielded through, exhausted, etc. DFG cant as its instantaneous.)

The other major difference between this and deathfire grasp is that DFG was an active on a 90 second cooldown. you have complete control over when you want to use it and on who.

With this item, you always apply it when you auto, meaning you have to be much more selective and much more CAREFUL than DFG, as if you use it on the wrong person, or at the wrong time, you lose that damage for 2 minutes. 2 fucking minutes, do you know how long that is? this item is way more niche than DFG because it's way harder to effectively use than DFG.

Original Quitter3 votes

I swear every 4 months Rito fires their entire balance team and brings in a whole new group of under paid college grads that have to re-learn all the mistakes from the past.

They are totally out of control since November of 2015 and I am getting tired of it.

z14GaKI7TO2 votes

As a Zed main, I approve. I disapprove of the inevitable Zed nerfs upcoming.

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