Personal rank. Team game.

mlm olo mlm··1 votes·1,366 views

The way match making works, we start with a rank.

That rank is averaged with 4 other people.

That average is used to find a "fair" competition.

-_-

I have complaints! Sorry, but I think I need numbers to express my complaints.

Let's say my personal ranking is 10.

Well, the team average needs to be around 10. Else, I'm playing outside of my rank.

The easiest way is to just make the entire team the same rank. Doesn't happen.

So, we have averages. The problem is averages will put people outside their rank.

10 + 5 + 10 + 5 + 20 = 50 50 / 5 = 10

Supposedly, we have a "fair" team. The average rank is 10. However, we have 1 person that is playing below their rank and 2 people playing above their rank.

I don't think it is fair the "20" is on a team with much less skill than themselves. Nor is it fair the "5"s are on a team with much more skill than themselves.

What happens, the 20 gets frustrated because they have to "carry" the game. Let's add enemy team.

10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 =50 50 / 5 = 10

Notice, "5" is playing against "10". That is 2 people that are expected to lose. This means, the "20" has to perform well enough to carry 2 losing lanes.

Let's say the "20" loses. How is it a mark against their personal rank because they couldn't carry 2 people that were much less skilled than them? Furthermore, the "5"s lose rank because they lost against much more skilled players. Again, unfair.

17 Comments

HonorRibbon3 votes

You did a of number manioulation and assumptions to make your point. Your rank is accurate. Go make 5 different accounts, play 100 games on each, see where each ends up. I bet they are pretty damn close. I have done this very thing. Seems to take practically no effort to hit plat and minimal effort to hit diamond. The system works. It gets you to your actual rank. Teams are oftenly more fair than you realize. You just aren't as consistent as you think you are.

mlm olo mlm1 votes

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You did a of number manioulation and assumptions to make your point. Your rank is accurate. Go make 5 different accounts, play 100 games on each, see where each ends up. I bet they are pretty damn close. I have done this very thing. Seems to take practically no effort to hit plat and minimal effort to hit diamond. The system works. It gets you to your actual rank. Teams are oftenly more fair than you realize. You just aren't as consistent as you think you are.

I've played games against high mmr opponents, and won. I've played games against high mmr opponents, and lost. We can't say anything because the teams are not consistent. This is the part where people claim "the one thing consistent is you."

If you want to argue that way, then show me you winning a game 1 on 5. We depend on our team. Some times, our team lets us down. Yet, our personal rank suffers. (The opposite is true too. Thus, rank boosting is a thing.)

HonorRibbon1 votes

It is you. I've carried plenty of 1v5s.

mlm olo mlm1 votes

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It is you. I've carried plenty of 1v5s.

link?

HonorRibbon1 votes

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2880588442/233029914?tab=overview

Team was feeding while I was 1v5ing, making it so they could catch up. 65k damage, more than all 4 teammates combined.

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2880486601/233029914?tab=overview Team basically afk, I 1v5.

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2875852629/233029914?tab=overview

3 team mates feeding, 4th was a voli that never engaged, just ran away. I carried them to victory, 1v5.

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2854688390/233029914?tab=overview All fed.. excepy me, 22-1 hard carry.

Nuff said?

mlm olo mlm1 votes

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I don't think you know what 1 v 5 means?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PPak1HAWIw

HonorRibbon1 votes

Oh, yea I've never queued into ranked before and had it log me in alone vs 5 other players. No, that has never happened, because that link is a custom game.. you aren't very bright.

Have had plenty of 1v5s in ranked though, where it actually counts.

mlm olo mlm1 votes

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Oh, yea I've never queued into ranked before and had it log me in alone vs 5 other players. No, that has never happened, because that link is a custom game.. you aren't very bright.

Anyone can use the custom game mode. Even the not so bright people.

HonorRibbon1 votes

And I could easily 1v5... but doing it in ranked means more than a custom vs 5 bronzies.

mlm olo mlm1 votes

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And I could easily 1v5... but doing it in ranked means more than a custom vs 5 bronzies.

Make a full pre-made. Tell your 4 friends to sit by the nexus all game. Proceed to "easily 1 v 5". Upload the video. Profit. Swagger.

Nevurwin2 votes

You have the right idea, but your model is weird. What makes you think the enemy team gets lined up with all players being equal?

Something more realistic on a 10 average would be like

10 + 8 + 11 + 9 + 12 = 50 VS. 13 + 9 + 7 + 11 + 10 = 50

Skill between the two teams is the same +/- a few points, with minor differences between the lane match ups. Sometimes the difference in lane match up results in one of the players stomping the other.

mlm olo mlm1 votes

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You have the right idea, but your model is weird. What makes you think the enemy team gets lined up with all players being equal?

Just numbers to get the topic going. Lots of math can be involved here and I'm just trying to keep it as simple as I can.

Something more realistic on a 10 average would be like

10 + 8 + 11 + 9 + 12 = 50 VS. 13 + 9 + 7 + 11 + 10 = 50

Skill between the two teams is the same +/- a few points, with minor differences between the lane match ups. Sometimes the difference in lane match up results in one of the players stomping the other.

The 13 is playing against and with players of less rank. The 7 is playing against and with players of greater rank. That is not fair IMO.

Nevurwin1 votes

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Just numbers to get the topic going. Lots of math can be involved here and I'm just trying to keep it as simple as I can.

The 13 is playing against and with players of less rank. The 7 is playing against and with players of greater rank. That is not fair IMO.

The way RIOT sees it , 7 - 13 is not a large enough skill gap to consistently dictate losing/winning.

mlm olo mlm1 votes

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The way RIOT sees it , 7 - 13 is not a large enough skill gap to consistently dictate losing/winning.

Do you happen to know what the actual threshold Riot uses is? Is there a hard cap that says all players must be within "x" MMR?

Nevurwin1 votes

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Do you happen to know what the actual threshold Riot uses is? Is there a hard cap that says all players must be within "x" MMR?

The largest gap ive seen from experience is about 7 divisions in difference. And its almost always dictated by:

A. The lower tier player being either a smurf, and/or queued with a friend 5 divisions higher.

B. The higher tier player having a drastically lower MMR then their rank, usually on the verge of tier demotion.

BlinkZZ1821 votes

You are exaggerating. The mm system puts a 8+9+10+11+12= 50 team with another team that totals at 50, not randomly pick someone with rank 5 or 20. You feel frustrated being a 12 unable to carry 8s?

mlm olo mlm1 votes

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You are exaggerating. The mm system puts a 8+9+10+11+12= 50 team with another team that totals at 50, not randomly pick someone with rank 5 or 20. You feel frustrated being a 12 unable to carry 8s?

Let's say I did carry. Is it fair to the 8s that they got stomped by a 12? They lose rank because they lost to a more skilled player?

Let's throw a curve ball. Does the 12 deserve higher rank because they beat players less skilled than them?

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