Why are you deleting the thread for reasons outside the authors control?

mlm olo mlm·Oct 25, 2018·7 votes·2,988 views

This comment has been pinned. The Djinn (NA) Herald - 26 minutes ago I'm making an executive decision to lock this thread. The comments are arguments and spam, the point of the original thread as it relates to League of Legends Player Behavior is unclear at best, and when people try to connect the threads to the relevant topic it gets into an argument of who made what analogy.

If you wish to repost this thread with context added to make these conversations on what the purpose is unnecessary, and if the comments remain free of people spamming images off-topic, feel free to do so.

Bold emphasis is mine.

I didn't ask them to spam images off-topic. I can't stop them either. That sounds like a job for? Forum moderator?

I literally get harassed and spammed, then you punish me?!?!?!?!

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ModThe DjinnOct 25, 201811 votes

I didn't delete it. I locked it for a few reasons:

The amount of clean-up required was pretty close to the total comments on the thread.
All of the comments that needed removal would have been a verbal warning at best, which a pinned comment and a lock suffices for.
The thread itself, as I said, was unclearly defined for its role in Player Behavior, and you personally seemed antagonistic towards those attempting to figure out what you were trying to say.

You're welcome to repost it, as I said, but you should make it's relevance to Player Behavior clearer, which should also resolve the issue of the comments.

mlm olo mlmOct 25, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-25T18:59:30.602+0000)

I didn't delete it. I locked it for a few reasons:

The amount of clean-up required was pretty close to the total comments on the thread.

NOT MY FAULT. NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY. TOTALLY OUT OF MY CONTROL.

All of the comments that needed removal would have been a verbal warning at best, which a pinned comment and a lot suffices for.

NOT MY FAULT. NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY. TOTALLY OUT OF MY CONTROL.

The thread itself, as I said, was unclearly defined for its role in Player Behavior

NOT MY FAULT. NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY. TOTALLY OUT OF MY CONTROL.

, and you personally seemed antagonistic towards those attempting to figure out what you were trying to say.

No, I was responding to people SPAMMING AND HARASSING ME. The one time I was approached even remotely civily, I gave (I thought) a reasonable and civil reply.

You're welcome to repost it, as I said, but you should make it's relevance to Player Behavior clearer, which should also resolve the issue of the comments.

Maybe I'll just give the people SPAMMING AND HARASSING ME a rough draft? Make sure they are cool with everything before I post it you know.

ModThe DjinnOct 25, 201811 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-10-25T19:10:19.246+0000)NOT MY FAULT. NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY. TOTALLY OUT OF MY CONTROL. NOT MY FAULT. NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY. TOTALLY OUT OF MY CONTROL. NOT MY FAULT. NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY. TOTALLY OUT OF MY CONTROL.

Our responsibility is to make the best judgment call for how to handle a thread. This sometimes involves locking an otherwise fine thread due to the sheer number of problematic comments, and that is a standard policy. Posts made on the boards are community threads -- they are not somehow the specific domain of the original poster, nor is moderation tasked with prioritizing the original poster when determining how to handle a situation.

No, I was responding to people SPAMMING AND HARASSING ME. The one time I was approached even remotely civily, I gave (I thought) a reasonable and civil reply.

Then put that reasoning and context in the original post and repost it. Upon initial review I could not see the direct PB connection myself, and that did figure in to the decision to lock the thread.

mlm olo mlmOct 25, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-25T19:14:58.810+0000)

Our responsibility is to make the best judgment call for how to handle a thread. This sometimes involves locking an otherwise fine thread due to the sheer number of problematic comments, and that is a standard policy.

Then post said policy for the public to see.

Posts made on the boards are community threads -- they are not somehow the specific domain of the original poster

Bull shit. The community did not come up with my ideas. I came up with my ideas. They are free to comment, so long as they don't break the terms of use. You don't punish the innocent. You punish the guilty.

nor is moderation tasked with prioritizing the original poster when determining how to handle a situation.

The original poster is INNOCENT. Moderation shouldn't be moderating INNOCENT LAW ABIDING POSTS. You are abusing the fuck out of your power.

Then put that reasoning and context in the original post and repost it.

So that they can spam spider pictures and call me stupid some more? Then you can lock the thread again and punish me through some escalation bull shit?

Upon initial review I could not see the direct PB connection myself, and that did figure in to the decision to lock the thread.

So you ask me to provide context. I do. You already made up your mind before then to delete the thread. I've done all the fucking work. Followed all the fucking laws. I'm the only one that gets punished.

ModThe DjinnOct 25, 20188 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-25T19:34:34.209+0000)Bull shit. The community did not come up with my ideas. I came up with my ideas.

Correct. The thread, however, is not somehow controlled by you, nor do you get to control the discussion that happens there.

So that they can spam spider pictures and call me stupid some more? Then you can lock the thread again and punish me through some escalation bull shit?

If you do not rise to the bait and merely report the posts, it will be easier to moderate individual comments. The long chains of back-and-forth arguments and comments was a large part of the reason the decision to lock was made.

So you ask me to provide context. I do. You already made up your mind before then to delete the thread. I've done all the fucking work. Followed all the fucking laws. I'm the only one that gets punished.

I am sorry you feel that way but no, I had not made up my mind to delete the thread until I looked at the original post, the number of responses that were off-topic, the number that were on-topic, and the common trends in those comments.

mlm olo mlmOct 25, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-25T19:39:09.794+0000)

Correct. The thread, however, is not somehow controlled by you, nor do you get to control the discussion that happens there.

You just admit my innocence. Don't punish the innocent. Punish the guilty. You control the discussion that happens there. Can't discuss in a locked thread. You are silencing the wrong people. Punish the guilty. DO NOT punish the innocent. Still waiting on you to post that policy of yours.

If you do not rise to the bait and merely report the posts, it will be easier to moderate individual comments.

That is exactly what I did. I reported several without responding. You failed to remove a single one that I saw.

The long chains of back-and-forth arguments and comments was a large part of the reason the decision to lock was made.

How many more lies are you going to make up? You have a new excuse every singe time. Bring forth all your evidence at once.

I am sorry you feel that way but no, I had not made up my mind to delete the thread until I looked at the original post, the number of responses that were off-topic, the number that were on-topic, and the common trends in those comments.

Notice how "wait for your response" was never in there? You didn't give a shit about my context. You made your mind up long before then.

ModThe DjinnOct 25, 20186 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-25T19:52:59.414+0000)-snip-

I'm going to be a bit blunt here:

You do not get to control moderation, nor how we go about deciding how a specific thread should be handled. This action was a fairly normal one for threads that have gotten excessively off-topic, and you were specifically informed that you were welcome to repost your content with a bit of added context to make it's inclusion in Player Behavior more obvious. No other action was taken against you.

I understand that it is an inconvenience to you, but it was what I deemed the best approach in the situation given the amount of removals that would have been necessary (i.e. almost all the posts in the thread) and the fact that the clarity issue that led to some of those undesirable responses was something you could easily fix in a repost.

I understand that you may disagree with this assessment, and I'll be happy to ask another Herald to look into the actions I have taken if you would like.

mlm olo mlmOct 25, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-25T19:58:40.298+0000)

I'm going to be a bit blunt here:

You do not get to control moderation, nor how we go about deciding how a specific thread should be handled.

I'm not trying to. POST YOUR POLICY. I'm quite confident Riot has laid some paperwork.

This action was a fairly normal one for threads that have gotten excessively off-topic,

Good job admitting you regularly punish innocent people.

and you were specifically informed that you were welcome to repost your content with a bit of added context to make it's inclusion in Player Behavior more obvious.

THEN THEY COME BACK AND DO IT ALL AGAIN. Ruining EVEN MORE of my work. Then you are going to punish me with a 1 day probation. Say something stupid like "continually posting negative content". NO THANKS.

No other action was taken against you.

STOP TAKING ACTION ON INNOCENT PEOPLE.

I understand that you may disagree with this assessment, and I'll be happy to ask another Herald to look into the actions I have taken if you would like.

What good does that do? Bring a Rioter in. I doubt Keyru is doing anything.

FebosOct 26, 20182 votes

At this point it should be clear you're dealing with a troll. Explain as many times as you want, but it won't change anything. Now he's playing the "victim" role and trying to flip the tables.

Something interesting I noticed: account level 12. Not a single game since April, yet surprisingly active on the boards.

MíelláOct 26, 20181 votes

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At this point it should be clear you're dealing with a troll. Explain as many times as you want, but it won't change anything. Now he's playing the "victim" role and trying to flip the tables.

Something interesting I noticed: account level 12. Not a single game since April, yet surprisingly active on the boards.

This is his other account. Search "A guy pointed a gun at me" in Player Behaviour. Maybe he is a troll, but I think that he actually isn't. I think he just got banned and made that post to say:

A guy attacked me, I did nothing and I got banned from my Boss (Riot) for it. Perhaps he inted or something. What the hell do I know.

FebosOct 26, 20181 votes

I do believe he's a troll. Why else would he make a really obscure "analogy" and then say there isn't one? By obscure I mean, not related to League.

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fgFfIGRc,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-10-25T17:04:37.524+0000)

You made the stupid analogy. I made no analogies.

Either he had no intent on starting a conversation to begin with, thus just wanted to troll, or he's oblivious about how analogies, and by extent the League system, work. I'm leaning more on the first, given the context of his replies, for example:

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-10-25T18:55:17.576+0000)

I literally get harassed and spammed, then you punish me?!?!?!?!

He wasn't harassed and wasn't punished. The other discussion was locked and no action was taken on his account. He was actually encouraged to re-post it, granted his intent was clear.

This whole thing has been his objective the entire time: entice negative feedback. The first discussion was the bait, this one is the hook and sinker.

mlm olo mlmOct 26, 20181 votes

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This is his other account. Search "A guy pointed a gun at me" in Player Behaviour. Maybe he is a troll, but I think that he actually isn't. I think he just got banned and made that post to say:

A guy attacked me, I did nothing and I got banned from my Boss (Riot) for it. Perhaps he inted or something. What the hell do I know.

Bias.

MíelláOct 26, 20181 votes

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Bias.

thats still not what bias means.

mlm olo mlmOct 26, 20181 votes

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thats still not what bias means.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bias

: an inclination of temperament or outlook especially : a personal and sometimes unreasoned judgment : PREJUDICE

transitive verb

1 : to give a settled and often prejudiced outlook to

rujitraOct 26, 20185 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-10-25T19:10:19.246+0000)

NOT MY FAULT. NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY. TOTALLY OUT OF MY CONTROL.

Yeah, actually, your OP being off topic is completely your fault.

mlm olo mlmOct 26, 20181 votes

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Yeah, actually, your OP being off topic is completely your fault.

I wasn't off topic. I broke no rules what so ever.

rujitraOct 26, 20185 votes

Your thread was related 0% to League of Legends, much less to Player Behavior.

mlm olo mlmOct 26, 20181 votes

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Your thread was related 0% to League of Legends, much less to Player Behavior.

That's odd. People kept insisting I was making analogies to league.

Moderator didn't mention being off topic when locking my thread. In fact, they told me I should repost it. Moderators telling people to repost off topic threads?

None of that excuses allowing others to spam and harass me.

rujitraOct 26, 20185 votes

You weren’t. They were assuming you were trying to - but you didn’t. You posted a story with no connection. An analogy by definition requires you to connect it.

Furthermore, the locking comment did say your thread was not connected and said you could only repost it if you actually made it on topic.

Your selective reading is getting annoying. I wish there was some way to block me from having to see your threads/comments honestly.

mlm olo mlmOct 26, 20181 votes

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You weren’t. They were assuming you were trying to - but you didn’t. You posted a story with no connection. An analogy by definition requires you to connect it.

No shit?

Furthermore, the locking comment did say your thread was not connected and said you could only repost it if you actually made it on topic.

This is exact quote: "If you wish to repost this thread with context added to make these conversations on what the purpose is unnecessary, and if the comments remain free of people spamming images off-topic, feel free to do so."

None of that says I am off topic. All of that says other people are off topic.

"with context added to make these conversations on what the purpose is unnecessary"

The objective was to steer the responses to my thread. Not to alter the message of my thread. Because my thread broke no rules.

Your selective reading is getting annoying. I wish there was some way to block me from having to see your threads/comments honestly.

It's called reading comprehension.

rujitraOct 26, 20185 votes

with context added.

#with context added

It’s called reading comprehension. The fact that the locking person included that inherently means that your post was against the rules as you did not include context as to why your thread deserved to be on PB.

mlm olo mlmOct 26, 20181 votes

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with context added.

#with context added

TO MAKE THESE CONVERSATIONS ON WHAT THE PURPOSE IS UNNECESSARY

You have to read the entire thing. WHY do they want me to add context? Because other people aren't understanding.

It’s called reading comprehension. The fact that the locking person included that inherently means that your post was against the rules as you did not include context as to why your thread deserved to be on PB.

I did actually give a reasonable explanation for why my thread deserved to be on PB. The moderator did not consider it before taking action upon my thread. My thread was deleted simply because the forum moderator was lazy. End of story.

I understand you do not like that policy, but it is one we believe is useful for efficient moderation purposes.

rujitraOct 26, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-26T00:46:57.900+0000)

TO MAKE THESE CONVERSATIONS ON WHAT THE PURPOSE IS UNNECESSARY

You have to read the entire thing. WHY do they want me to add context? Because other people aren't understanding.

If your OP was not such that others can understand it, and especially when it is such that virtually everyone cannot understand it, then it is your fault.

I did actually give a reasonable explanation for why my thread deserved to be on PB. The moderator did not consider it before taking action upon my thread. My thread was deleted simply because the forum moderator was lazy. End of story.

You didn’t really. Not in your OP. And when your OP was locked, your OP was the reason. You don’t get to argue with people in the comments about if it’s applicable or not - your thread itself must be applicable, and yours wasn’t.

mlm olo mlmOct 26, 20181 votes

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If your OP was not such that others can understand it, and especially when it is such that virtually everyone cannot understand it, then it is your fault.

Some people did understand. Don't throw around made up numbers.
That does not prove anything. Some things are just complicated naturally. Virtually no one understands theory of relativity. That doesn't mean Einstein is wrong.

You didn’t really. Not in your OP. And when your OP was locked, your OP was the reason. You don’t get to argue with people in the comments about if it’s applicable or not - your thread itself must be applicable, and yours wasn’t.

I didn't in the OP. Correct. I did in the comments section.

Moderator asked me WITHIN the comments to provide more context. Why would a moderator keep my thread open if it was breaking the rules? They wouldn't. It wasn't breaking the rules. Instead, the moderator left a comment. Basically, advertising the thread.

Do you not realize this is an exact quote from the exact forum moderator that locked the thread?

I understand you do not like that policy, but it is one we believe is useful for efficient moderation purposes.

mlm olo mlmOct 25, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-25T18:59:30.602+0000)

I didn't delete it. I locked it for a few reasons:

The amount of clean-up required was pretty close to the total comments on the thread.

All of the comments that needed removal would have been a verbal warning at best, which a pinned comment and a lock suffices for.

The thread itself, as I said, was unclearly defined for its role in Player Behavior, and you personally seemed antagonistic towards those attempting to figure out what you were trying to say.

You're welcome to repost it, as I said, but you should make it's relevance to Player Behavior clearer, which should also resolve the issue of the comments.

Upvotes and downvotes are intrinsically tied to how threads and comments are perceived. It’s easy to simply downvote something you disagree with, and upvote things that support your views. We can do better. Consider upvoting thoughtful discussions and comments, even if they disagree with your perception of things. The more valuable conversation we have on the boards and the more that conversation is recognized as a good contribution to the community, the better everyone’s board experience will be.

Please inform me of how I have not brought up thoughtful discussion. How have I not been thoughtful?

Is this now another case of being punished for other peoples actions?

MíelláOct 25, 20187 votes

I beg you to shut up on that one. Are you 14 or why did you make a thread like that?

You made an analogy.

You refused to say that it was an analogy.

That would make it spam, cuz it would have nothing to do with Player Behavior.

You say that it has something to do with player behavior, but just refuse to explain how.

People made that thread better by posting pictures of cute spiders.

The thread gets locked, because 1. It had nothing to do with player behaviour and 2. had no discussions in it because you straight up refused to make one.

In your thread, you wrote that a guy pulled a gun on you. You're supposed to give him your money or he shoots you. You give him your money and he lets you live.

Then you go to the police. A day later your boss fires you because of stealing.

Now, my only guess is that you got banned and were the victim (somehow).

But first of all, how the fuck is that connected to league, And second, how does that make sense. I voted other in your poll cuz that post was just bs on a logic level.

Then your thread gets locked (for good reasons, mind you) and now you're crying on to why your thread got locked. Sorry but, what kind of tunnel vision do you have?

Sincerly, http://www.auplod.com/u/uldpaoad971.png

mlm olo mlmOct 25, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legend Alpha ,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-25T19:31:03.834+0000)

I beg you to shut up on that one. Are you 14 or why did you make a thread like that?

So civil. Makes me just love reading what happens next.

That would make it spam, cuz it would have nothing to do with Player Behavior.

Player behavior is more than just analogies. We can use all sorts of literary techniques here.

You say that it has something to do with player behavior, but just refuse to explain how.

No. People shout at me that I'm stupid. Then spam. Then report. There was a single person that asked me my opinion, without insulting me first. Kind of like how you just did.

People made that thread better by posting pictures of cute spiders.

Perfect timing.

The thread gets locked, because 1. It had nothing to do with player behaviour and 2. had no discussions in it because you straight up refused to make one.

You aren't moderator.

In your thread, you wrote that a guy pulled a gun on you. You're supposed to give him your money or he shoots you. You give him your money and he lets you live.

Then you go to the police. A day later your boss fires you because of stealing.

That is not how the story went. You have added significant bias to that story. It's actually amazing all the bias you injected into that short story.

Now, my only guess is that you got banned and were the victim (somehow).

Lol. I'm interested in the subject. There's my reason. No need to incorrectly guess anymore.

But first of all, how the fuck is that connected to league, And second, how does that make sense. I voted other in your poll cuz that post was just bs on a logic level.

I would have discussed with you, had you been civil. Proof that the thread was ok, it promoted healthy discussion. It was the people posting that were the problem.

MíelláOct 25, 20183 votes

That is not how the story went. You have added significant bias to that story. It's actually amazing all the bias you injected into that short story.

That's not what bias means. People call that: In a nutshell.

Let me quote what you said:

A guy pulled a gun on me. The guy said, "Give me all the money in the register or I will shoot you." I pulled out the money drawer and dumped the money into his bag. The guy then ran away. I called the police. The police call my boss. My boss fires me for "stealing". He says I handed money to the other guy and the police have it all on camera. He is also going to file criminal charges against me.

Now I took out some details, because they are literally stupid. If the guy aimed with a gun at you, and the police got it on camera. Why would you get fired if they have proof of you getting robbed.

Then, again, it has still nothing to do with player behaviour, since you didn't explain how that is connected to Player Behavior.

There is no bias in my words, just saying what you were saying and how the discussion went. I think you forgot how it did though.

Also:

You aren't moderator.

I'm not, you're right. But, O lucky me, the mods of the boards have made universal rules that you can read when ever you want. Here they are if you want to read them.

You should really take a look at this paragraph right there:

Spamming / Trolling

Here is a breakdown of the various types of spam / trolling that we look for: Posting content not related to the discussion Posting a discussion or comment across multiple sub-boards Posting designed to bait conversation or falsify content Making repetitive non-constructive or low effort content Bumping of discussions with no additional context Excessive emoji / icon spam Necromancy of any discussion over 1 month old

A guy pointed it out in your post and your answer wasn't really the nicest of them all. But what do I know, right?

Sincerly, http://www.auplod.com/u/uldpaoad971.png

mlm olo mlmOct 25, 20181 votes

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That's not what bias means. People call that: In a nutshell.

I know what bias means. You added details to the story based on your own personal perception.

Let me quote what you said:

Would have been better than incorrectly "paraphrasing" me.

Now I took out some details, because they are literally stupid.

-_-

If the guy aimed with a gun at you, and the police got it on camera.

Read carefully, the police got me on camera. Says nothing about the thief.

Then, again, it has still nothing to do with player behaviour, since you didn't explain how that is connected to Player Behavior.

Then what happens when my explanation isn't good enough? Can't possibly be player behavior related because YOU PERSONALLY don't understand the connection? Time to delete all the threads YOU PERSONALLY don't understand.

There is no bias in my words, just saying what you were saying and how the discussion went.

You conveniently left out "in a nutshell". Again.

I'm not, you're right. But, O lucky me, the mods of the boards have made universal rules that you can read when ever you want. Here they are if you want to read them.

You should really take a look at this paragraph right there:

A guy pointed it out in your post and your answer wasn't really the nicest of them all. But what do I know, right?

Sincerly, http://www.auplod.com/u/uldpaoad971.png

Oh, but moderator never commented on my actions. They even told me to repost the thread. Does that sound like I broke the rules?

MíelláOct 26, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-25T21:48:32.799+0000)

I know what bias means. You added details to the story based on your own personal perception.

Would have been better than incorrectly "paraphrasing" me.

-_-

Read carefully, the police got me on camera. Says nothing about the thief.

Then what happens when my explanation isn't good enough? Can't possibly be player behavior related because YOU PERSONALLY don't understand the connection? Time to delete all the threads YOU PERSONALLY don't understand.

You conveniently left out "in a nutshell". Again.

Oh, but moderator never commented on my actions. They even told me to repost the thread. Does that sound like I broke the rules?

1. I did not incorrectly quote you. I said what was in the post and left the parts out that were not important. I did not add anything or made the story diffrent.

Read carefully, the police got me on camera. Says nothing about the thief.

If they got you on camera, its a pretty high chance that it also got the thief on camera. If the thief ran away, it 100% also got the thief. If you don't want your story to be like that, then write it better so that everyone knows.

Then what happens when my explanation isn't good enough? Can't possibly be player behavior related because YOU PERSONALLY don't understand the connection? Time to delete all the threads YOU PERSONALLY don't understand.

Not only didn't I understand the connection, but everyone who read the post. It makes no sense. You write how you got robbed. Then you lost everything, because obviously the police and your boss were complete incompetent. They didn't even ask you about why you "stole the money". We need fucking context on that one, because its such a big hole in the story.

Perhaps you're the only one who understands it, because you're the one who wrote the story. Its not that I personally don't understand it, its because you personally have made the worst way to connect real life to the game.

You conveniently left out "in a nutshell". Again.

Why should I add it again if I already said it. I thought you knew that the "In a nutshell" of your story was meant to be "In a nutshell", not the story with bias added into it.

Oh, but moderator never commented on my actions. They even told me to repost the thread. Does that sound like I broke the rules?

Your thread was commented by The Djinn, who is a moderator. The locked your thread, because you indeed did break the universal rules.

You made a post that wasn't connected to player behaviour. You refused to explain on how it was actually connected to it. Instead of explaining it, you made arguments that also didn't have anything to do with PB.

Moderators say to repost the thread again. But not in the same board, but in a diffrent board in which it makes more sense. They even tell you to read the universal rules, which you obviously still didn't do. Now we're here and you're trying to tell me that you didn't break any rules.

Please. Start. Using. Your. Brain. This my last answer to this whole useless discussion, since you obviously don't want to see how you are wrong. We're getting nowhere with this. And that's also a reason why your last thread got locked.

Sincerly, http://www.auplod.com/u/uldpaoad971.png

mlm olo mlmOct 26, 20181 votes

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1. I did not incorrectly quote you. I said what was in the post** and left the parts out that were not important.**

THAT IS NOT HOW TO QUOTE PEOPLE.

I did not add anything or made the story diffrent.

The fuck you didn't. I can quote you changing the story AND admitting to changing the story.

If they got you on camera, its a pretty high chance that it also got the thief on camera.

The fuck are you talking about? YOU WEREN'T THERE. STOP MAKING SHIT UP.

If the thief ran away, it 100% also got the thief.

Making shit up. Adding details to the story.

If you don't want your story to be like that, then write it better so that everyone knows.

OR stop making shit up and learn to read?

Not only didn't I understand the connection, but everyone who read the post.

Not everyone.

We need fucking context on that one, because its such a big hole in the story.

Then ask politely, instead of insulting me and making shit up.

Perhaps you're the only one who understands it, because you're the one who wrote the story.

Probably why you should ask me instead of making shit up.

Its not that I personally don't understand it,

Really? Because you you specifically said, " Not only didn't I understand the connection, but everyone who read the post."

Why should I add it again if I already said it.

Because you claimed to be directly quoting me. "In a nutshell" is not a direct quote. It is a paraphrase.

I thought you knew that the "In a nutshell" of your story was meant to be "In a nutshell", not the story with bias added into it.

Then do better at paraphrasing. You added so much bias it's not even the same story anymore.

Your thread was commented by The Djinn, who is a moderator. The locked your thread, because you indeed did break the universal rules.

Wrong. The quote is in the OP. I never broke the rules.

You made a post that wasn't connected to player behaviour.

You think it wasn't connected to player behavior.

You refused to explain on how it was actually connected to it.

I did explain. Just not to the people calling me stupid and spamming off topic pictures.

Instead of explaining it, you made arguments that also didn't have anything to do with PB.

Sure, I made a couple. I don't like it when people say I said things I didn't actually say. Especially, when the entire transcript is conveniently placed in front of their face.

Moderators say to repost the thread again. But not in the same board, but in a diffrent board in which it makes more sense.

Um, no. Not once did the moderator tell me to post in a different board. Quote the moderator that said that.

They even tell you to read the universal rules, which you obviously still didn't do.

Once again, making shit up out of no where.

Now we're here and you're trying to tell me that you didn't break any rules.

We? You aren't a moderator. You don't get to decide if I broke the rules. Moderator said I didn't.

Please. Start. Using. Your. Brain. This my last answer to this whole useless discussion, since you obviously don't want to see how you are wrong.

YOU MAKE SHIT UP AND CALL ME WRONG AND STUPID? Now who is breaking the rules?

EedatOct 25, 20181 votes

Bruh just copy paste it, add some context, and resubmit it. Jesus

mlm olo mlmOct 25, 20181 votes

I'm tempted to.

However, one has to be careful around here. Riot has a way of escalating non-issues through the very real escalating punishments system.

Besides, there is a greater good here. I'm just going to run with it while it has steam until Riot deletes it all and the world never knows this shit even happens.

RuFiotOct 25, 20181 votes

What a shock, your post was "pro toxicity" and got locked while the people who trolled you didn't get anything.

Moreover they got the thread they don't agree with closed.

Really NICE moderating right here, setting an example - it is ok to troll on pro toxicity threads, we wont punish you on it and will close the thread you won't like :D.

The amount of clean-up required was pretty close to the total comments on the thread.

"I'm not gonna warn who need to be warned so they will get the message to stop trolling, it is too much work, its not like I non stop answering people here already"

All of the comments that needed removal would have been a verbal warning at best, which a pinned comment and a lock suffices for.

And spam (spider pics??), (I'm sure that by Ulanopo standards every comment there is threadjacking (edit: probably every comment in general ) )

The thread itself, as I said, was unclearly defined for its role in Player Behavior,

Hard to believe people there didn't get it.

you personally seemed antagonistic towards those attempting to figure out what you were trying to say.

Did you a "pro toxicity" player were little mean to people which ridiculed you? unacceptable,

I literally saw now that moderators defending that line -

... That said, most of the people complaining on these boards are, to put it mildly, assholes. ...

I'm getting tickets on nonsense you are getting your threads locked like you did something wrong but they get absolutely nothing and non stop back up from the stuff, holy, this is just next level moderation right here.

ModThe DjinnOct 25, 20185 votes

Moreover they got the thread they don't agree with closed.

With express moderator permission to repost it with added context, which will help it lead right to discussion. I have no issue with the thread as long as it's direct in it's relation to player behavior. I had another Herald review it, and they also agreed that, without added context in the opening post on how it relates to League, it is off-topic for Player Behavior.

RuFiotOct 25, 20181 votes

"Moreover they got the thread they don't agree with closed." I meant the spammers not moderation.

With express moderator permission to repost it with added context, which will help it lead right to discussion.

Or you could just tell him in the thread what you didn't get and start a conversation, showing by example how to treat threads that are maybe not clear to all, in a gentle productive way.

But instead you decided to go with the "spider pic" troller, a person who probably got what the thread is about and tried to ridicule it using the misconception people have as an excuse, and hopped on the opportunity to get rid of it.

ModThe DjinnOct 25, 20184 votes

{quoted}Or you could just tell him in the thread what you didn't get and start a conversation, showing by example how to treat threads that are maybe not clear to all, in a gentle productive way.

That was indeed an option on the table. I opted for the alternative solution due to the sheer number of removals that would have been required and the way the tone of the conversations so far had been on both sides.

RuFiotOct 25, 20181 votes

That was indeed an option on the table. I opted for the alternative solution due to the sheer number of removals that would have been required and the way the tone of the conversations so far had been on both sides.

So are we talking about 10 min work? removal + ticket is that like 30 seconds each? ofc it is both sides, hard to belive you will punish only the good side

ModThe DjinnOct 25, 20184 votes

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So are we talking about 10 min work? removal + ticket is that like 30 seconds each? ofc it is both sides, hard to belive you will punish only the good side

That thread had probably about 20 comments that required removal, a little over a minute to do a good job and present a clear message for each comment. Given that I am not paid for my time and that I gave the original poster a free pass to repost the thread with relatively minor changes that would minimize the chance of that situation occurring again, this seemed like a reasonable course of action.

You may disagree, and that is your right to do so. I have made the other Heralds aware of this thread, and if any of them feels I have acted improperly they are always free to overturn my decision.

RuFiotOct 25, 20181 votes

That thread had probably about 20 comment ...

If you need more moderators you can just ask

You may disagree, and that is your right ...

As it being the conclusion comment I will just copy past somethings -

Setting an example - it is ok to troll on pro toxicity threads, we wont punish you on it and will close the thread you won't like :D

Or you could just tell him in the thread what you didn't get and start a conversation, showing by example how to treat threads that are maybe not clear to all, in a gentle productive way.

I have made the other Heralds

I'm sure you and your buddies have each other backs.

mlm olo mlmOct 25, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-25T21:40:28.594+0000)

That thread had probably about 20 comments that required removal, a little over a minute to do a good job and present a clear message for each comment. Given that I am not paid for my time and that I gave the original poster a free pass to repost the thread with relatively minor changes that would minimize the chance of that situation occurring again, this seemed like a reasonable course of action.

You may disagree, and that is your right to do so. I have made the other Heralds aware of this thread, and if any of them feels I have acted improperly they are always free to overturn my decision.

So you aren't posting this mythical forum moderator policy that you are required to abide by? Which states that it is ok to delete an innocent persons thread because too many other people violated terms of use.

ModThe DjinnOct 25, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-10-25T21:53:02.914+0000)

So you aren't posting this mythical forum moderator policy that you are required to abide by? Which states that it is ok to delete an innocent persons thread because too many other people violated terms of use.

There is not a written policy of the sort that I could provide to you. When I say that this is our policy, I mean that this is the way the moderation team has operated since before I became a moderator. If a thread contains a large number of problematic posts and a low number of legitimately meaningful discussion, locking that thread is an appropriate action.

mlm olo mlmOct 25, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-10-25T21:59:06.710+0000)

There is not a written policy of the sort that I could provide to you. When I say that this is our policy, I mean that this is the way the moderation team has operated since before I became a moderator.

My father owned a slave. My fathers father owned a slave. Yep, I reckon slavery is just the way it's been around here since as long as I can remember. What? Make a change? Whoa there. No thank you.

EDIT: Look I understand that was hyperbole. It is has a very real lesson though. You aren't even talking about laws. Just a simple habit that you refuse to change on the basis of "we always do it this way". Some times, BETTER ways come. We will never know if you are so closed minded and focused on the status quo.

ModThe DjinnOct 25, 20185 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-10-25T22:04:09.328+0000)

My father owned a slave. My fathers father owned a slave. Yep, I reckon slavery is just the way it's been around here since as long as I can remember. What? Make a change? Whoa there. No thank you.

I understand you do not like that policy, but it is one we believe is useful for efficient moderation purposes. If our capabilities change in the future, that policy may be reviewed and/or changed.

mlm olo mlmOct 25, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-25T22:09:21.864+0000)

I understand you do not like that policy, but it is one we believe is useful for efficient moderation purposes. If our capabilities change in the future, that policy may be reviewed and/or changed.

Nothing about EFFECTIVE or ACCURATE? Who cares as long as you get through your queue by the end of the day?

You know who is more efficient than you? A computer. How about we get rid of the entire volunteer forum program and replace it with a chat filter.

mlm olo mlmOct 25, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=ZqLAo05t,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-25T21:27:56.082+0000)

That was indeed an option on the table. I opted for the alternative solution due to the sheer number of removals that would have been required and the way the tone of the conversations so far had been on both sides.

Bull shit. I was nothing but respectful towards any conversation that did not involve calling me names and spamming me. I was at best, mildly rude towards people that SPAMMED, INSULTED, AND HARASSED ME without provocation.

EvilDustManOct 25, 20184 votes

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"Moreover they got the thread they don't agree with closed." I meant the spammers not moderation.

Or you could just tell him in the thread what you didn't get and start a conversation, showing by example how to treat threads that are maybe not clear to all, in a gentle productive way.

But instead you decided to go with the "spider pic" troller, a person who probably got what the thread is about and tried to ridicule it using the misconception people have as an excuse, and hopped on the opportunity to get rid of it.

The thread was presented as a random circumstance and that any reader's attempt to make it an analogy was them forcing an analogy. It took 2 pages for the OP to finally decide to explain without being painfully obtuse. I recognized it as an attempt to trap people with their own words and logic by using a situation that could be imagined as an analogy.

It was a bait thread.

RuFiotOct 25, 20181 votes

I fail to see that, anyways -

https://media.lolusercontent.com/api/embedly/1/image/resize?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimg.buzzfeed.com%2Fbuzzfeed-static%2Fstatic%2F2014-07%2F31%2F15%2Fenhanced%2Fwebdr07%2Foriginal-9634-1406834323-10.jpg%3Foutput-quality%3Dauto%26amp%3Boutput-format%3Dauto%26amp%3Bdownsize%3D360%3A%2A&key=a45e967db0914c7fb472fd4381e6c85b&width=150

don't worry too much about that comment soon Ulanopo will come and ban me.

mlm olo mlmOct 25, 20181 votes

{quoted}

What a shock, your post was "pro toxicity" and got locked while the people who trolled you didn't get anything.

Moreover they got the thread they don't agree with closed.

Really NICE moderating right here, setting an example - it is ok to troll on pro toxicity threads, we wont punish you on it and will close the thread you won't like :D.

I wouldn't even call it "pro toxicity". I didn't side with anyone. I tried very hard to present the situation in a neutral manner.