Forgot smite so I cant play the game as a jungler?

Kürohyøu·Aug 7, 2018·4 votes·1,125 views

How is that fair? Out of god only knows how many games I have played as a jungler, I forget smite ONCE. And because I got distracted for a bit before the game I am basically precluded from jungling. I could kill the monsters, sure, but I cant gain ANY freaking xp from them. Way to pidgeon-hole people into playing the game how you want them to riot. Maybe instead of railroading people you should balance the numbers on your items so people wont be tempted to bring challenging smite or bloodrazor to lane and ruin your perfect little vision of how the game should run?

26 Comments

MíelláAug 7, 20183 votes

THey made it that way because you could abuse the new jungle items back in season 5. They didn't want that, neither did the players. Was and still is a good change.

KürohyøuAug 7, 20182 votes

Oh, I see. So you support the game being railroaded into a meta that riot pre-ordains? Got it. Good to know your opinion counts for nothing cause you will just back up whatever riot decides, no matter how stupid. By the way, I addressed that, they should have adjusted the numbers and made the items less appealing for laners instead of just saying UNLESS YOU HAVE SMITE YOU CANT BUY THE ITEMS THAT MAKE JUNGLING A LANE. Thats the worst game design I have ever fucking seen. Its tantamount to blocking out all items that a champion can buy based on what summoner spells they take. Oh, you didnt take teleport for top? sorry, no trinity force or black cleaver for you! Silly boy! Oh, you didnt take heal as an adc? No stormrazor for you! And most certainly no rhunaans, you!

Summonah12369Aug 7, 20182 votes

If you forget smite you'll be behind because you won't be able to buy jungle items, which makes you get less xp from camps.

KürohyøuAug 7, 20183 votes

Thank you. Im aware. As I just played a game as such. And what im saying is that is a bad design and needs to be fixed. Just because I forgot smite should NOT preclude me from buying the items that make jungling a viable lane. That is just railroading and is idiotic.

Summonah12369Aug 7, 20181 votes

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Thank you. Im aware. As I just played a game as such. And what im saying is that is a bad design and needs to be fixed. Just because I forgot smite should NOT preclude me from buying the items that make jungling a viable lane. That is just railroading and is idiotic.

I don't think it's unfair, things like sabres are made for the jungler.

KürohyøuAug 7, 20181 votes

And things like rhunaans hurricane are made for the adc. But teemo and kennen still buy them top lane, now dont they?

MrFawknSunshineAug 7, 20182 votes

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And things like rhunaans hurricane are made for the adc. But teemo and kennen still buy them top lane, now dont they?

its for marksmen who use ranged auto attacks. kennen and teemo are consider marksmen

KürohyøuAug 7, 20181 votes

Im sorry, But nowhere does it say kennen is a "marksman" but nice try. Teemo, yeah sure, whatever, but typically teemos build as a mage.

Edit: fine then scratch teemo, my point still stands, pretend i said kayle instead of teemo. Kayles can buy rhunaans (and do often) despite being a "fighter" and only ranged half the time.

MrFawknSunshineAug 7, 20181 votes

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Im sorry, But nowhere does it say kennen is a "marksman" but nice try. Teemo, yeah sure, whatever, but typically teemos build as a mage.

Edit: fine then scratch teemo, my point still stands, pretend i said kayle instead of teemo. Kayles can buy rhunaans (and do often) despite being a "fighter" and only ranged half the time.

kayle was once consider an melee marksmen.

and kennen has ranged autos. it dont matter what they typically build.

KürohyøuAug 7, 20181 votes

This just in! ANY CHAMPION WITH RANGED AUTOS IS A MARKSMEN!!! Congratulations, you are so desperate to prove a fallacious point that you have abandoned all logic.

Beatrice fallsAug 7, 20181 votes

item 3147 is for assassins but MissFortune builds it [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

MrFawknSunshineAug 7, 20181 votes

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is for assassins but builds it [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

alot of ad champs build it

Bobloser3555Aug 7, 20181 votes

i forgot it too and i was very fucked and my team angry at me.

KürohyøuAug 7, 20181 votes

Best part is we still won. I ganked and got my buffs and everything. I was just always 5 lvls behind and couldnt contest objectives but I contributed to my team winning. There was just no recourse to actually getting back into the game at the same level as the other jungler.

Warlord RhinarkAug 7, 20181 votes

I don't really know why jungle items have to be a thing to begin with.

Umbra ZAug 7, 20181 votes

You forgot smite, thats a mistake on you bro, you cant just complain about how riot is forcing you to play somehow just because you cant accept the fact you forgot it and your game sucked because of it. smite is necessary to keep junglers jungling, without it whats to stop a laner from getting all the perks of being able to jungle with no strings attached

KürohyøuAug 7, 20181 votes

You sound like an idiot...Read below where i explain that i actually won the game, it was just unnecessarily difficult because of riots railroading. And i accept that i made the mistake of forgetting smite. duhrrrrr. But noone goes "oh no, i forgot heal as an adc, now i cant be adc." So its basically bullshit in and of itself.

AlienPrimateAug 7, 20181 votes

It sucks, but you should just afk and let your team remake as a jungler if you do this.

KürohyøuAug 7, 20181 votes

Instead of doing my best and helping my team win the game like I did? Did you really just advocate afking?

AlienPrimateAug 7, 20181 votes

AFK at the beginning allows for a remake at 3 minutes. This is preferable to most people to having a useless jungler.

Pokemonred200Aug 7, 20181 votes

The reason the smite requirement is enforced is because of the current jungle enchants being pretty greatly gold efficient, and when it wasn't required to build the jungle items (back in Seasons 3 or 4), the items would either prove to be too efficient a purchase on lane champions (the AP jungle item was the go-to Spell Vamp item in Season 3, for example), or just a noob trap (which all of the jungle items became in Season 4).

Smite requirement lets them keep the gold efficiency, but not be considered for purchase on laners (unless they sacrifice a summoner for the item, like with item 1413 on its launch in Season 5). They should probably make item 1041 and item 1039 buyable without Smite, but then you have to sell them to get rid of the gold funneling prevention debuff.

KürohyøuAug 7, 20181 votes

As i have already said, I am aware of those situations. I even mentioned them in my opening post. However, im sure there is a much better way to address it than just precluding people from items due to their summoner spells. Your last idea was actually not all that bad. Now that they have the gold funneling prevention thing, why in the world would any laner buy it? Therefore they can safely roll back the preclusion.

theChibiTinaAug 7, 20181 votes

If anyone without smite can take a jungle item they'll be able to get double experience from jungle camps and people will take it and start starving their junglers of their camps. Then junglers will then complain that they can't get the gold and experience they need to be viable in the game. It sucks, but unfortunately it has to be this way. It's way more frustrating to be starved of gold because your laners are stealing your camps rather than you got invaded.

KürohyøuAug 7, 20181 votes

At this point in the game it would be a trade off of taking smite to get the doubvle xp (as a laner) but getting the gold debuff if you kill too many things. It would be a very precarious balancing position to play and i imagine most people wouldnt be able to do it.

theChibiTinaAug 7, 20181 votes

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At this point in the game it would be a trade off of taking smite to get the doubvle xp (as a laner) but getting the gold debuff if you kill too many things. It would be a very precarious balancing position to play and i imagine most people wouldnt be able to do it.

Unfortunately, having the gold debuff if you have highest cs isn't going to be enough to offput some people. Especially if other people are doing it. You'd only be getting less gold and not less experience from killing minions if you have most cs as well. Got ahead in cs. Better let the jungler come over and cs while I wait for someone else of get ahead and stand there soaking up experience making it so the jungler can't catch up. Then people flame their jungler for being behind even though it's their fault. People don't think about the consequences of they're actions if it gets them ahead.

MasterDCloneAug 7, 20181 votes

If you make a mistake you need to be punished for it, if i miss smite on baron and the opponents steal it and win the game i'm not going to come here and complain smite damage needs to be increased, no my mistake deserves to be punished. You say somewhere that you still won the game, therefor if you can win without smite in the jungle doesn't that mean you aren't getting punished hard enough, i've played games as a smitelees jungler and i can tell you that it isn't fun or easy but it is managable if you are good enough to make it work.

Also look at this meta compared to last season and then re-asses your comment on riots perfect vision for the game.