"It's not my job to win your lane for you."

Said the allied jungler as the enemy jungler just dove me under turret for the third consecutive time.

This line of logic needs to stop in jungling. Even if it's not your job to win somebody's lane, it is your job as a team member to help win the game. I highly doubt you're going to do that beating off jungle monsters for 20 straight minutes as the enemy laner and jungler both get absurdly fed, rip down the team's towers, and then proceed to kick the shit out of you every time you show your face.

Basically: If you can help, why the mother fuck wouldn't you help? Or do you enjoy playing basically 4v6's?

Let's just tackle the ignorant responses as a whole:

Let's use the recent game where I was Quinn against Renekton. I was winning my lane with a kill at 3-4 minutes. Vi ganked at 8 minutes and then continued to try to gank my lane. I wasn't losing.

However, this is a Renekton and a Vi, and I'm a Quinn. So at Vi's level 6, they dove me under turret pretty much effortlessly with little retaliation while I was at full health. Even fed, a full combo from Vi with a full combo from Renekton is going to kill all but maybe Taric, Malphite, and Rammus. So no, I actually wasn't losing my lane, I was winning it to the point that Renekton was either killed or forced out of lane 5 consecutive times without fail.

But again, Vi and Renekton can chain combo me to oblivion. So playing it safe, I'm at turret trying to hold my own. Let's note that my jungler is Udyr, packing a refreshing shield, stun, and the magic damage he was packing for clearing on par with Vi. Renekton had no resistances against that and wasn't actually building any damage at the time. A gank was safe. He just didn't.

Why didn't he? I dunno - he actually just didn't gank anybody and then blamed people for losing their lanes when Vi was 3/1/5 while he was 0/1/0, and he was being outcleared by the Vi as well so he wasn't doing much for the team that way. Why was Vi 3/1/5? Because she was winning peoples' lanes for him. And that was only after her first successful gank - she tried 4 more times after that and only picked up 2 kills because luckily she didn't always have her ult on her because she actually ganked unlike our jungler. But this is focusing on the entirely wrong point, really.

The actual point here is this - you are the jungler. You are competing against the other jungler. You don't do this like a lane - it's not crystal clear. No, the way you win the jungle is through the value of the lanes you get to win. Sometimes numbers are what you're looking for and sometimes it's just one specific lane you want going on. But putting your money in yourself as Udyr as opposed to one of the several heavy carries in the game is fucking stupid, especially when there is no risk on yourself as a jungler with insane sustain and bulk.

If you're Yi, fine. Farm. If you're Tryndamere (good god please don't though), fine. Farm. If you're Vi even, fine. Farm. But putting your assumption in the jungler knowing what he's doing is quite possibly the most retarded thing you will see when the majority of you even admit that relying on solo-queue people is stupid in and of itself.

Now let's tackle the last piece of idiocy floating around here, and it's the generality of the statements here. I said quite clearly, "If you can help, why wouldn't you".

If you can help.

Can help.

Can.

What you guys have generalized in response to this is that the lane must be a lost cause, the lane must have been losing beforehand, the blame must be on the laner not the jungler at all times because it is their lane.

But let me just go Vi. I'll have my mid-laner go Syndra. We'll see how long you last.

Or maybe I'll go Sion and charge down bot and decimate your team under their turret.

Or I could always grab Amumu and Q into Ult your teammate from 1100 units away because his bandage toss is one of the longest ranged shots in the game and if I just hit it from the fog of war you're not reacting in time for shit.

Point is, you don't need to be losing your lane to be in trouble or to be forced under turret. Sometimes all that's needed is pressure put on you by the enemy team. Pressure that is caused by a jungler and can only reasonably be requested to be relieved by a jungler.

Basically, what you've all just said is, "I'm not going to do shit about you being in a 2v1, and it's your fault for being in a 2v1", and you have generalized this to just about all situations. If you can't realize how idiotic that kind of logic is, I can do nothing for you. You are in a league of stupidity all your own that I cannot help you escape.