Who was the lead designer of Pyke?

Noies·Sep 22, 2018·27 votes·11,952 views

I'd like to know who's name I should be LOUDLY cursing whilst this champion is pounding my ass in solo q. It be nice to have a name to scream my idle death threats at.

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im still toxicSep 22, 201829 votes

Don't worry, he's getting buffed next patch.

Rude NameSep 22, 20184 votes

Underrated post

iiGazeiiSep 22, 201810 votes

Pyke has a lot of lane sustain and CC, but he has ferociously long cooldowns in the early game, and everything is a skillshot. If you can bait out his abilities and dodge them, you have a huge window where the enemy ADC has zero peel. He's also a melee support, meaning you can more easily go for last hits without being punished as hard for contesting theirs. His waveclear is also really terrible.

The way to lane against Pyke is to keep your lane in "priority". What this means is you want to allow them to push the wave just in front of your tower's range, without letting the tower kill minions. You not only have the safety of your tower to prevent him from diving in with E, but you also force them to overextend for last-hits, which Pyke is not good at securing or supporting his ADC that far forward. This also gives your jungler easy ganks, since they have farther to run back to their tower, usually forcing Pyke to burn his E and/or W to avoid dying rather than using it on you. Once he's committed cooldowns, then push out the wave, punish them for last hits, push it to tower, then back off and let it push back to you.

Wave management is key to beating Pyke. If you don't manage the wave, he's just gonna all-in you or look to roam to other lanes. You want to keep him on your side of the map so he can't be aggressive without risking death, but also keep the fight over minions going so he can't just leave.

IfnethSep 22, 20181 votes

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Pyke has a lot of lane sustain and CC, but he has ferociously long cooldowns in the early game, and everything is a skillshot. If you can bait out his abilities and dodge them, you have a huge window where the enemy ADC has zero peel. He's also a melee support, meaning you can more easily go for last hits without being punished as hard for contesting theirs. His waveclear is also really terrible.

The way to lane against Pyke is to keep your lane in "priority". What this means is you want to allow them to push the wave just in front of your tower's range, without letting the tower kill minions. You not only have the safety of your tower to prevent him from diving in with E, but you also force them to overextend for last-hits, which Pyke is not good at securing or supporting his ADC that far forward. This also gives your jungler easy ganks, since they have farther to run back to their tower, usually forcing Pyke to burn his E and/or W to avoid dying rather than using it on you. Once he's committed cooldowns, then push out the wave, punish them for last hits, push it to tower, then back off and let it push back to you.

Wave management is key to beating Pyke. If you don't manage the wave, he's just gonna all-in you or look to roam to other lanes. You want to keep him on your side of the map so he can't be aggressive without risking death, but also keep the fight over minions going so he can't just leave.

Nitpick. You’re talking about a freeze, which is achieved by slow-pushing a double wave until it crashes into the enemy turret, then last-hitting until it’s just outside your turret range. Thin the wave until it’s only four minions larger than yours, and it will stay there for a long time. The enemy laner(s) then have several bad options.

Stay pushed up, risking that they will be ganked.
Back off, missing last-hits or even experience.
All-in the wave, and then risk being all-in’d or TP’d or ganked with no chance of escape.

Lane priority, on the other hand, depends not only on lane state but also on waveclear. It’s who can leave lane to help the jungler sooner. Aurelion Sol has lane priority into most midlane matchups; Veigar does not.

CloudedLogicSep 23, 20181 votes

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This also gives your jungler easy ganks, since they have farther to run back to their tower

Unless you are in silver, then you are bad because you are always pushed in for some reason...

I swear, I don't even play jungle and I understand more about ganking people when they are over extended than any jungle I have ever been matched with.

GrãñðmãstêrShãçøSep 22, 20187 votes

From lolwiki gameplay was designed by this guy

Jonathan 'EndlessPillows' Fuller

Chembaron YamadaSep 22, 201813 votes

He will need these pillows to protect him from OP, it seems.

Fear the KaynSep 22, 20186 votes

Pyke has consistently around 48% winrate in all tiers. He's balanced and gets hard countered by Leona and Morgana to the point where playing him against those champions could be considered trolling.

LTK KoRoSep 22, 20183 votes

shhh, don't even try to use logical arguments on boards, these guys truly believe that Pyke, Zed and Duskblade are broken

SangreDeNocheSep 23, 20181 votes

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Pyke has consistently around 48% winrate in all tiers. He's balanced and gets hard countered by Leona and Morgana to the point where playing him against those champions could be considered trolling.

People say the same stuff about Cho when he falls out of meta, then when he's back in "longest silence in the game and true damage ult, how is this not nerfed yet?" come up constantly on the boards even though it has nothing to do with Cho and everything to do with who ELSE is in the meta. Just because Pyke is counter picked by the meta of NOW doesn't mean his kit isn't obnoxious in any way or that he won't be meta with future changes to the game elsewhere.

Nea104Sep 22, 20186 votes

Jonathan 'EndlessPillows' Fuller. Apparently, he is the smart guy who said: "Chasing the possibility of a pentakill on a support is awesome"

Then people wonder why Season 8 is this bad :/

KonsequenceSep 23, 20182 votes

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Nea104Sep 23, 20181 votes

It looks like some not very witty guys do love that, and this company is rewarding them for some reasons.

Wert the WackySep 22, 20183 votes

Pyke balanced af. Just don’t feed him early, which is pretty easy, and you’re fine. He’s not garbage like Zed.

DKM BismarckSep 22, 20181 votes

Zed is garbage in what way?

Wert the WackySep 22, 20182 votes

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Zed is garbage in what way?

His design is overpowered bs

KFCeytronSep 22, 20183 votes

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I'd like to know who's name I should be LOUDLY cursing whilst this champion is pounding my ass in solo q.

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It be nice to have a name to scream

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my idle death threats at.

Wait, what?

BeatzBoyFTWSep 22, 20181 votes

The name's Jimmy.

A Latte DeathsSep 23, 20181 votes

He's not overpowered and I personally have no issues vs him (although Aftershock does make him sort of annoying sometimes). Maybe he's just a problem champion for you specifically?

MLDzXnRRRSep 23, 20181 votes

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He's not overpowered and I personally have no issues vs him (although Aftershock does make him sort of annoying sometimes). Maybe he's just a problem champion for you specifically?

Pyke is too safe and can get away from anything except the Fizz that dodges his stun, but his kit feels somewhat balanced compared to other champs that are kept in overpowered or unfun to play state just because they sell skins (well, we can't do anything about this, because the game is free and RIOT has to make money from something).