An Ode To The Legit Supporters

Hazardus ducees··3 votes·932 views

Dear league, for some it has been fun to actually help others get ahead. The sad part is how an overpopulated number of people would rather not support and it has become quite apparent that these players would rather be the ones to get ahead by leaving their teammate(s) behind. We legit supporters do not ask for much since our kits are designed to carry a team's potential and when the team has no potential well... lets just say that it isn't our fault that some surfaces just aren't meant to shine. Lately though, we supporters lost out on the ability to get our crew ahead because of the simplistic gold shutdown system and the fault lays on what league has been since it's launch, "getting ahead and snowballing". Since the start of season 7 and up to now- the game has been all about damage and nothing else. Until the creators remove the system or widen the gap, we supporters cannot help our team end or carry. I'm sorry, but this is why the gap of players for the support role has become very large.

Welcome everyone and thanks for chosing to read this Discussion. Today, I would like to bring up a sensitive topic which a lot of league has abandoned: the legit role of a supporter. These are the players who sacrafice their ability to live, turn a team fight and or make plays within the game. They are the controllers of any kill, of any ability to fight another fight, or to simply sustain, but they just about always take the damage and near their death or die trying. Needless to say, these champions are: Tahm Kench, Braum, Lulu, Thresh, Taric, Nami, Rakan, Sona, Soraka, and Janna. I would also try and give a holler to Yummi, but I'm not too sure about someone who is created to abandon someone whom'st they're meant to be dedicated to. Anyhow… To this degree, you will find 2+ separately unique forms of CC within their kit/design- whether it be heal and peel, anti crowd control and sustain, engage and disengage or damage removal and interuption.

Moving on, we can see that these are sort of "the forgotten standard set" for the role. With every new champion that comes out, the already nuanced picks are replaced by other champions who counter another and so forth. These list on as: Lux, Brand, Pyke, Anivia, Annie, Leona, Blitz, Veigar, Gragas, Karma, Pantheon, Morgana, Nautilus, Neeko, Zyra, Zoe, ... you get my point. And that is because they lead in one thing while they sacrafice something else which is very vital. Responsibility. This actually explains why dual comps botlane that replace the marksmen usually has a harder time winning; At that point, it is all about lane pressure and champion peaks. Back to my original point, everyone can agree on one thing, if you increase support viability (i.e. the standard) then they're seemingly busted in higher ELO hands because they're abusable at that point. Me- trying to prove that I have a non biased perspective here, I still feel like it would be nice to see more supportive champions whom are designed around the ORIGINAL concept that makes a support viable-and not uberly busted. After all, playing a mage/assassin is a selfish pick and a fighter/brawler is just looking for trouble.

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Hotarµ2 votes

These list on as: Lux, Brand, Pyke, Anivia, Annie, Leona, Blitz, Veigar, Gragas, Karma, Pantheon, Morgana, Nautilus, Neeko, Zyra, Zoe, ... you get my point. 

No, actually, I don't.

A support's role is not to be at their lane partner's mercy at all points of the game. Supports can be aggressive. Supports can take kills. Supports can do other things than sit back and spam heals. There is more than one way to "support" someone.

Just because you don't agree with or understand that concept does not mean they are not legitimate supports.


And obligatory mention: obviously I'm talking about aggressive mages (Brand, etc.) and aggressive supports (Pyke, Thresh, etc.) here. I'm not talking about fighters like Irelia because those are champions who perform much better in other roles in addition to not bringing much to the table. Fighters usually take time to scale and throughout all points of the game they usually won't benefit anyone (atleast not at the rate other champions in this post would)

Hazardus ducees3 votes

You're making my point much stronger by saying, "Supports can take kills." Obviously anyone can steal a kill, but with the systematic rule that degrades your enemy's gold worth which is in place as of this year, supporters taking the kill leaves your teammate behind. While you're reading this as, "You're at your support's mercy"- it isn't like that at all. In fact, the support is at the other lanner's mercy and it has been that way ever since they've been created. You have been putting words in my mouth and the fact that you think I don't understand the concept of a greedy pick makes you the wiser. Pyke on the other hand is a different story. He is the ONLY champion who grants a share in Kill gold with his ultimate and is the ONLY champion who breaks the "gold limiter".

Before the newly implemented system with tower plating and shutdown gold, I would feel that we should be able to play them. It is RIOT themselves who have announced that THEY DON'T AGREE with the concept purely because 1. they voiced their opinion about it before and 2. they made this system because they would have otherwise spiraled out of control. To put these words in my mouth and say, "I don't understand or agree with the concept" is insulting. When I talk about these kind of things, I at least have a 50/50 perspective, 85% knowledge and background over the BS that is ruining league.

You sir, are not a legit support. In fact, seeing how long you've played league and your arsenal of choices nonetheless- your voice holds ZERO VALUE to me. I'm not even sure if I should apologize for the roast.

Hotarµ1 votes

You're making my point much stronger by saying, "Supports can take kills." Obviously anyone can steal a kill, but with the systematic rule that degrades your enemy's gold worth which is in place as of this year, supporters taking the kill leaves your teammate behind. (cont.)

Your post, whether you intended to say it or not, is saying that aggressive supports are not supports at all. This is not the case.

A kill is a kill, whether you agree with it or not. A support taking a kill will not set the ADC so far behind that they become irrelevant, they still snowball from the assist gold and kill experience + soaking up minion experience after the fight is over. Personally I'm not the type to take kills when I play champions other than Pyke, but people who do that are still supports. That does not make them greedy or selfish.

Greed & selfishness =/= an aggressive playstyle.

To put these words in my mouth and say, "I don't understand or agree with the concept" is insulting. When I talk about these kind of things, I at least have a 50/50 perspective, 85% knowledge and background over the BS that is ruining league.

1 - I have a "50/50 perspective" as well? I've played almost every champion in the game, I main support and one of the champions you don't view as a "real support", and I understand the concepts of the game. Your subjective opinion on the "BS that is ruining League" is just that, subjective.

2 - The reason I said "don't understand or agree with the concept" is because you're using the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. Because you disagree with the concept of aggressive supports, you don't classify them as supports at all.

##Example of the fallacy: "If you don't do x or y, you're not a real z." ##Your post: "If you don't play Rakan or Lulu, you're not a real support.

See the similarity? Aggressive supports are not a "greedy" or "selfish" pick because they're still reliant on their ADCs. A Brand or Pyke is not going to be 1v2ing a lane in any ELO, they require followups and engages from their lane partners. Speaking from experience, Pyke is incredibly team reliant and in 99% of cases he can't do anything if his team isn't following his lead or making plays that he can follow up on.

You sir, are not a legit support. In fact, seeing how long you've played league and your arsenal of choices nonetheless- your voice holds ZERO VALUE to me. I'm not even sure if I should apologize for the roast.

##(+ those comments about me being an ARAM only account and playing since S8, that I suck and "get carried unless I play Pyke." Saw those before you edited your comment.)

Unlike you, I don't need to resort to childish insults when someone opposes my view. Again, just because you don't agree with or understand the concept of more aggressive supports does not mean they aren't supports.

For starters, not sure where you got your information from, but I've been playing since Season 4. I've got 3 separate accounts, this one in particular I believe was made around S6, but I might be wrong. I've barely ever played ARAM, I think I maybe have like ~700(?) games in total in comparison to my 8-10k+ Summoner's Rift games. Most of those ARAM games are from when I played with my friends anyway, I'm not exactly the type to fiend for some solo-ARAM games.

I don't "only" play Pyke, I've got 3 separate accounts where I frequently play Shen support, Nami, Thresh, Karma, Zilean, Lux, Zyra, and Janna. In fact, I think my Shen mastery points from all 3 of these accounts still trumps my Pyke mastery on this one. Nice try though.

If you think dismissing someone's input due to their champion choice and resorting to insults is a "roast", I feel sorry for you. That's ignorance in it's purest form and I have no interest in continuing this conversation. When you can recompose yourself and act civil, maybe it can continue.

preternatural1 votes

meh i disagree, janna with a item 3107 item 3190 and her R is stopping any and all dmg on your team.

xox BaByDoLL xox1 votes

Yeah I legit miss seeing real supports in lane, vs. people who can't hang solo lane so they go bot with a bs support pick to not help their ADC but to try and leech kills and then brag about "oh look at my KDA and i'm the support!!" Would be nice to see more variety bot lane when it comes to supports, but there are just so many people who are incapable of being good at the support role without being on a broken champ or on a champ with a hook, and who want to hide in a lane with an ADC but take kills from them and what not vs. actually support their ADC and Teammates.

Could be worse though, it could be Overwatch with Role Queue and a plethora of DPS Moira's who don't really want to play support but hate DPS queue time so they ruin the game for everyone by handicapping the team with one healer while they only DPS...>.>

(Yes, I've been playing too much OW lately.....help me. xD)

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