Two strong first purchase items that are similar in effect, but the champs that use them are not. The users of one of these items can take early strength A LOT farther then the other. Therefore these two items should not be similar. For example some champs have to buy a Tear instead of a Lost Chapter then have a greater power spike later. The need for balance changes here seem obvious.
Trundle and Rengar should most of the time not be purchasing the same first item.
Cind3rkick4 votes
Gives Mana, Ap and Mana regen
Gives Ad, Health regen, and an aoe attack+active
They arent that similar....
Also could you make it clearer what exactly these balance changes are for? Ive reread it multiple times and still dont get what you are referring to needs balanced.
Power Cosmic3 votesSimilar in terms of why and when they are bought. They are obviously different very statistically. Got to read/think between the lines sometimes to decipher meanings.
ZephyrDrake2 votes[{quoted}](name=Power Cosmic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=si6qyXHv,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-09T21:28:05.087+0000)
Similar in terms of why and when they are bought. They are obviously different very statistically. Got to read/think between the lines sometimes to decipher meanings.
You really didn't answer his question or said anything useful. Some AD champions rush tiamat, others rush BC, others rush IE or ER. Then with AP some rush morello's, others rush tear, others rush chapter. You really haven't said anything other than compare two items and then say one needs balance changes yet not even say what sort of changes. Instead of trying to be "cryptic and clever" just tells us what you actually mean.
Power Cosmic5 votesIt is all about how fast you can get your champ online. The wave and jungle clear and active on the Tiamat gives a lot to champs early that carry hard late. Tiamat is not like ER or BC because it is a component item not a complete one. Lost Chapter is too a component item that does a good job getting safe mages going. But safe mages only go so far. Tiamat users go a lot farther in terms of their power. This concept is easy to understand if you have played a lot of roles. There are a lot of ways to illustrate this bc there are a lot of different champs but the following is the easiest to explain and understand. If you just lost a teamfight, and only one champ survived from the other team you hope it is a safe mage or similar. Those champs will have a hard time taking advantage of the team fight victory in terms of taking objectives and closing out games. If the last person left is even someone like Warwick, you are probably going to lose additional assets. So if something has more power late, then it should not get equal item power early. Pretty easy to understand, I hope. Also all Lost Chapter users are very similar, while Tiamat users vary greatly (bc everyone buys it bc its so good). These two items illustrate how their needs to be a difference between early and late game.
Saezio1 votesAnd if you won a teamfight but 1 enemy is left alive to def tower you hope it's not a mage that will clear the wave by simply using their mana from range you can't enter with your low HP. While if it's a rengar trying to waveclear undertower vs 3 it's just an extra free kill. Wtf is that example? xD
Power Cosmic5 votesI made another reply that explains my point. Read it if interested.
Luther King Jr V3 votesone of them give unlimited waveclear power and a useful active similar in effect my ass
Lovelle4 votesTrundle doesn't really have any other good options honestly. It's either Tiamat or Botrk, he has to actively choose between dueling and waveclear. Most melee champs that go top these days have innate waveclear, so they can just rush CDR items like Black Cleaver/Trinity Force, or tankiness like Sunfire Cape.
I can't speak for Rengar, or champs like Jax and Irelia, but Trundle definitely makes tradeoffs for rushing Tiamat, especially since the last price increase.
Power Cosmic3 votesIt is a complicated dilemma bc the champs that use it are so different. The clear answer to me is that champs that get going early are not carries so buff tank component items that help clear. That way Trundle would have a choice to make given their matchup or team comp. Of course damage would have to lowered early by gutting Runes
Luther King Jr V3 voteshow tf are they similar in effect??
Power Cosmic3 votesRead my other replies and chill out when replying to strangers. :-)
Luther King Jr V4 votesbruh