Imagine if DotA's Blink Dagger got implemented into League

Stiv1234··29 votes·4,736 views

How hard would it fuck up balance?

Blink Dagger (Cost: 2250g)

ACTIVE: Blink: Teleport to target location. If damage is taken from champions, Dragon or Nashor, Blink will be disabled for 3 seconds. Range: 1200 --- Cooldown: 12 s

132 Comments

D357R0Y3R23 votes

aether lens: Increases spell damage output by 8%. Increases spell cast range by 200

Brand Ziggs Xerath Viktor watch out guys

Ahristocats3 votes

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Brand Ziggs Xerath Viktor watch out guys

Gangplank his ulti range is now beyond the map XD

Got New Glasses2 votes

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Brand Ziggs Xerath Viktor watch out guys

why are people saying that mages have no scalling in dota 2?

KaisadiIIa8 votes

Because abilities are only affected by their rank. Their only have base damage that you can't improve, and there is no cooldown reduction as far as I know. There are items that increase spell damage in some ways, but as passive/active/whatever -Veil of Discord increases the magic damage enemies take for ~15 seconds-, not directly as LoL (where building AP means your abilities deal more damage).

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KONO RUBICK DA2 votes

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Because abilities are only affected by their rank. Their only have base damage that you can't improve, and there is no cooldown reduction as far as I know. There are items that increase spell damage in some ways, but as passive/active/whatever -Veil of Discord increases the magic damage enemies take for ~15 seconds-, not directly as LoL (where building AP means your abilities deal more damage).

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people really needs to play dota 2, octarine core: 25% cdr, 20% spell vamp, 400 hp, 400 mana

CrazedPorcupine8 votes

To be fair, Octarine Core was added in 6.85 so not too long ago. CDR before 6.85 was non-existent.

KaisadiIIa2 votes

I've played DotA2, although not too much. It was more than a year ago, and that item didn't exist. Also, I said that there is no CD "as far as I know". I never said I'm a connoisseur of DotA or anything, my comment was only orientative.

Got New Glasses13 votes

MKB-----> Jax= biggest worthless thing in league

Best princess EU9 votes

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MKB-----> Jax= biggest worthless thing in league

mkb= hashinshin crying

ACENOX12 votes

Everyone are so disturbed by blink and bkb, i don't think they even thought about rammus+blade mail+radiance

Catastrop9 votes

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Everyone are so disturbed by blink and bkb, i don't think they even thought about rammus+blade mail+radiance

Now here's something I actually understand from my brief time playing DotA.

The Ellimiist1 votes

I swear bkb is like cancer and why noone wants to support in dota. you don't scale to start with and then by 20-30m your just useless for 5+ seconds xD

Blademail rammus would be pretty good though (or galio)

Ahristocats1 votes

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I swear bkb is like cancer and why noone wants to support in dota. you don't scale to start with and then by 20-30m your just useless for 5+ seconds xD

Blademail rammus would be pretty good though (or galio)

supports countered by bkb?

-shadow shaman killing everyone with wards

  • which doctor bought glimmer cape casting his ulti through bkb while being invisible -bane stunning someone for 5 sec through bkb

few supports are countered by bkb, lion is one of them.

The Ellimiist1 votes

If by few you mean pretty much all of them lol

KONO RUBICK DA3 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Ellimiist,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=scX0HHWA,comment-id=0008000100000000,timestamp=2016-01-01T19:14:13.151+0000)

If by few you mean pretty much all of them lol

http://www.dota2.com/heroes/?l=english if you go to the support heroes, a lot of them still do their job even if you bkb, omniknight can still press R, silencer can still silence you, rubick still steal your ulti, ancient apparition prevents you from healing (goes through bkb) only lion cannot cc or bust you.

KONO RUBICK DA5 votes

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I swear bkb is like cancer and why noone wants to support in dota. you don't scale to start with and then by 20-30m your just useless for 5+ seconds xD

Blademail rammus would be pretty good though (or galio)

well that's fair.... supports have the highest damage output in the game until late game, lion's ulti does 625 damage at lvl 6 while you have something like 700 hp. They don't scale because they have no gold, but if they get gold by kills and towers, they scale because of veil of discord( increasing spell damage by 25%) orchyd (increasing damage by 30%) or refresher

BluePolarizer1 votes

isn't Radiance burn actually weaker than Sunfire Cape and for a much higher cost?

KONO RUBICK DA2 votes

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isn't Radiance burn actually weaker than Sunfire Cape and for a much higher cost?

not even close... yes it has a high cost and it's hard to buy this item but:

gives 60 AD deals 60 magic damage (sunfire does 25-35+your lvl i think?) and your burned enemies have 18% chance of missing their attack

Khâmul10 votes

Need a refreshing orb! 2 karthus ultimates or two slaves for mordekaiser hahaha

Skoonie6 votes

Wouldn't work; Morde's ulti goes on CD whenever you have a ghost. Unless of course we're using DOTA 2's engine, in which case I'd love myself a PA and Sniper duo ghost!

Ahristocats2 votes

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Need a refreshing orb! 2 karthus ultimates or two slaves for mordekaiser hahaha

then the enemies ap will buy refresher and refresh their zhonya to dodge the 2 ulti of karthus :^)

KONO RUBICK DA9 votes

i see that everyone here is talking about dota 2 itemization

well i think that nobody can predict what will happen, in league items are here to give you giant stats, in dota 2 items are here to give you actives against your enemies. few items are unique by their stats (example: daedalus= item 3031 , butterfly= old item 1318 )

too much AOE magic damage?--->pipe too much CC?----> BKB too much dodge? ----> MKB storm spirit/nyx with dagon is focusing you as a support? ---->glimer cape enemy juggernaut bought aghanim? ---->eul's scepter

ect...

the funnier thing i find, is that skarner won't abuse blink+force staff because when he walks back he is still facing his enemy

Stiv12341 votes

He could walk one step away from his team and then force staff himself because he will be facing towards his team then.

Ahristocats1 votes

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He could walk one step away from his team and then force staff himself because he will be facing towards his team then.

when skarner is ultying, he still faces his target, unlike batrider in dota 2 (who has a skarner ulti).

MisterHealYoGirl7 votes

He visually faces his target, yeah, but for the purposes of Cassiopeia's ult and Tryndamere's W (and any other abilities that care about facing), he's facing the direction he's moving in. Same with Garen and Wukong while they're spinning.

Irelia Bot7 votes

Just give me a force staff and I'll be happy.

Best counter to enemies laugh taunting you ever.

Stiv12343 votes

Screw those nasty fed Fioras waiting at your base for you to come out. They are going to do a not so voluntary fountain dive.

MLDzXnRRR7 votes

Darius with blink becomes tier 1.

Champs that are all steroids and balls of stats with BKB = adc meta gone

Yi, Olaf, Trundle, Jax, Xin - top tier bkb carries

Ahristocats7 votes

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Darius with blink becomes tier 1.

Champs that are all steroids and balls of stats with BKB = adc meta gone

Yi, Olaf, Trundle, Jax, Xin - top tier bkb carries

depend if riot balances the game like icefrog does

if bkb counters every disable than yes

if bkb doesn't counters ultimate disable than no, they will still be counterable.

BKB doesn't counter pudge ulti, doom ulti, bane ulti,magnus ulti, warlock ulti, beastmaster ulti, huskar ulti,enigma or faceless void necrophos ulti, batrider ulti ect.. it only counters tidehunter ulti and naga siren ulti.

there are also a lot of normal stuns that go through bkb, so no, don't think that yi will just run into 5 people and kills them all.

Darius with blink becomes tier 1: don't forget that blink brings 0 stats, and darius needs a lot of cdr+hp to constantly heal. Don't also forget that once you used blink in a teamfight, you won't use it ever again. and dota 2 have like 3 item 3140 items, darius's passive is purgeable according to wiki so, like zeus said you can't predict what will happen

Best princess EU13 votes

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Darius with blink becomes tier 1.

Champs that are all steroids and balls of stats with BKB = adc meta gone

Yi, Olaf, Trundle, Jax, Xin - top tier bkb carries

linken's sphere= banshee but has 13 sec cooldown (lololol) and is only consumed by point and click spell

darius has only 1 point and click spell and that is his ulti, he has no way to kill you if you buy this item.

D357R0Y3R7 votes

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linken's sphere= banshee but has 13 sec cooldown (lololol) and is only consumed by point and click spell

darius has only 1 point and click spell and that is his ulti, he has no way to kill you if you buy this item.

"who will buy banshee against darius" you forgot to say that linken's sphere gives offensive stats.

windwolf7773 votes

Don't forget though, items would pop Linkin's. item 3153 item 3146 item 3706 item 3715 would be able to counter it

kaykalos2 votes

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Darius with blink becomes tier 1.

Champs that are all steroids and balls of stats with BKB = adc meta gone

Yi, Olaf, Trundle, Jax, Xin - top tier bkb carries

yi with basher bkb

Pikmints2 votes

Don't forget about perma-banned Annie. Flash Tibbers every time Tibbers is up.

BluePolarizer2 votes

MKB + Butterfly = lol Trundle/Jax/Xin/Yi/Olaf can't touch ranged champs with escapes and can't tank them either. A Tristana with MKB would kill all of them and take 0 damage.

Decrit5 votes

Now i want Poppy with refreshing orb.

I love that shit, i love it on chaos knight :D

Also, Aghanim on Poppy/Lee? Able to ult out of map?

D357R0Y3R10 votes

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Now i want Poppy with refreshing orb.

I love that shit, i love it on chaos knight :D

Also, Aghanim on Poppy/Lee? Able to ult out of map?

O_o, refresher on chaos knight? the dude has like 500 mana refresher costs 375 mana and his ulti costs like 200 mana....

Z Statistic2 votes

By the time you would get a refresher orb on him, he'd be around lvl 25, which is enough max mana to do the combo, albeit with a delay. Also remember Manta giving a bit of mana.

Stiv12342 votes

Holy, I totally forgot about Aghanim's, thats a great idea for a new thread :3

KaisadiIIa2 votes

Someone already asked for it short time ago, and a rioter (I think it was meddler but I'm not sure) said they think it's a bad design, that limits design space and makes champions that are good with them feel incomplete if they don't build that item. They also said that is too much of a liability to rework all ults in the game just for an item.

Paroe5 votes

i know this isnt an item but... ...Can you just imagine phantom lancer in league?

Mael bro4 votes

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i know this isnt an item but... ...Can you just imagine phantom lancer in league?

A mix between Illaoi , Shaco and MonkeyKing and splitpushing potential as a MasterYi . He would shred the towers like they are caster minions. I would be more afraid of a Phantom Assassin or an Antimage, Mana pools in league are extremely high and imagine if AM Mana Voids a manaless Lux /Ziggs /insert any AP mage in the middle of your team. P-P-P Pentakill.

Paroe4 votes

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A mix between Illaoi , Shaco and MonkeyKing and splitpushing potential as a MasterYi . He would shred the towers like they are caster minions. I would be more afraid of a Phantom Assassin or an Antimage, Mana pools in league are extremely high and imagine if AM Mana Voids a manaless Lux /Ziggs /insert any AP mage in the middle of your team. P-P-P Pentakill.

Id imagine phantom lancer as more of a "stacking devourer" than your analogues... Like... he gets a 10/20/30% chance to create a phantom that has the devourer effect and lasts 5 seconds (and is refreshed whenever a new phantom stack is gained).

Or maybe He has a chance to do phantom attacks based on his crit chance? that would be balance in and of itself tbh, since crit isnt an on-hit effect. Build would probably look like item 3006 item 3932 item 3153+ item 3071Oritem 3124 + item 3046 +item 3742oritem 3087

Then in league his ult could be +crit chance for xx amount of time.

Seekêr5 votes

Hell no. Dota doesnt have flash, that is why they have blink dagger

CrazedPorcupine4 votes

Most of the summoner spells we have have item equivalents in Dota 2.

Heal - Mekanism Clarity - Arcane boots Revive - Buyback Ghost - Phaseboots Clairvoyance was unique Ignite - Urn of Shadows

ViashinoWizard4 votes

Galio AH'M BACK BAYBEH

rtbf326335033 votes

I've always thought adding the blink restrictions to flash would make it normal and bring other summoner spells back in.

Flash: 150sec CD, increase range by 200, can only be used if no dmg taken from champion, baron or dragon for 3 second. Maybe add mnions or neutrals if it still needs tuning.

Erdamon2 votes

You mean flash?

Stiv123410 votes

Only with triple range, 12 second cooldown and on an item. Otherwise, yeah.

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