Don't change Swain's playstyle with the ult nerfs, it shan't work.

Arakadia·Jun 16, 2016·7 votes·562 views

Another post said why balancing around CDR doesn't work. TD;LR, it doesn't work because it becomes mandatory like flash.

If you nerf Swain's ult to 30 seconds, it massively changes his play style. I think it will gut him, although it might be like Ryze's nerf, where people learn around it. No matter what though, it will massively change their play style. It also won't solve much. It will decrease his winrate. But it will just allow him to be OP every 30 seconds.

Whats the solution than Mr. Arakadia ?

Gate him more by mana. Currently it doesn't seem to be like he runs oom enouhg after he gets his mana items. This nerf plus the RoA nerfs will shred him alive I think. But if you gate him by mana, it won't change his playstyle and will stop him from going crazy with his ult.

10 Comments

AlutrosityJun 16, 20162 votes

Executioner's culling is how you deal with his ultimate. Increasing the cooldown is stupid because his playstyle revolves around using it to out-trade and actually be able to fight back against assasssins instead of hiding in zhonyas which can become necessary against even the likes of Zed if he gets enough damage stacked onto the mark. He's gated by being mid-ranged and the fact that his q is easy to get out of, and his w takes an eternity to root you in place. The main source of his healing though comes from having multiple things to heal off, like the enemy minion wave, multiple opponents in a teamfight.

You want to beat Swain, use the same tactic that has always worked against him: superior ranged mages who don't have to get in close to do their damage. Zyra, Vel'Koz, Xerath, Syndra all accomplish this tactic, and going Caitlyn adc with an executioner's culling cuts down on his ability to kill the carries as well.

Stop complaining about how a champion in is unkillable because you're dumb enough to pick champions who he is made to hard counter when in reality there are plenty of counters to him.

CalabokJun 16, 20161 votes

no. he shouldn't be un-killable.

ArakadiaJun 16, 20162 votes

I'm not saying that. I'm asking for them to not gut him, change his playstyle completely, etc.

I'm asking for a better way to balance him. If you gate him, he can't be OP every 30 seconds. If you change how often he can be OP, he is still OP.

Mouse534Jun 16, 20161 votes

Hey man, just wondering why you decided to post 2 different boards that are discussing the same thing? Just post this there so you can bounce more ideas around, you have more minds to work with in the other board.

ArakadiaJun 16, 20161 votes

Yeah lol. The other one was about that it changes his gameplay too much. This one brought a solution and talked about why the nerf won't necessarily work.

Thanks for not being a douche about it though, this board is overflowing with them.

Mouse534Jun 16, 20161 votes

No problem, just thought that this would be better as a discussion point in your other thread. :)

DerfelJun 16, 20161 votes

Riot doesn't care.

MunchCrunchLunchJun 16, 20161 votes

no as a tank. there is 0 windows of weakness with his low ass cd. its a good nerf.

QuephaJun 16, 20161 votes

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Gate him more by mana. Currently it doesn't seem to be like he runs oom enouhg after he gets his mana items. This nerf plus the RoA nerfs will shred him alive I think. But if you gate him by mana, it won't change his playstyle and will stop him from going crazy with his ult.

But the low cooldown IS the reason he isn't gated by mana. Swain has no incentive to stay in bird form to the point where the mana costs start to scare him because a fresh bird form with negligible mana costs is a short 6-8 seconds away.

ArakadiaJun 16, 20161 votes

Maybe give it a flat, consistent mana drain but increase that? Good point btw.