Zhonyas and Champion ability interactions

64539310_DEL··2 votes·743 views

I made a post similar to this one a while back about Swain. Now it's about all champions and their interactions with Zhonyas. Before I get started, for the record I realize not many people have problems with this.

Ok so most champions that have a toggle/self targeted aoe spell, can activate Zhonyas while using the spell. Example, Swains ultimate, fidds ult, Kennan ult, etc. There have been too many times in a match where we completely lose because of this one interaction. Not only is the enemy invunerable for 2 seconds, but they are dealing a large amount of damage and sometimes even gaining ridiculous amounts of health back, aka Swain ult and anyone with WOTA. In a teamfight this champion can flash in and completely win the fight for his team simply because nothing can be done to him once he activates Zhonyas. Most people might say, "Just flash, walk, or dash out of it", but in a teamfight this is easier said than done. Personally I think it'd be better if these interactions were nerfed as there really isn't any counter play to it aside from getting out of range.

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Critmaster Garen2 votes

zonyas is bullshit. and this interaction is the sole reason these champion got nerfed until theyre dependent on the item.

imo zonyas should act as a purely defensive item. dodge a karthus ult, a lux laser, dodge assassin damage or whatever. any other kind of burst. cancel any and every aoe ability when zonyas is activated, and rebalance the champions that are dependent on it right now, so they can function without the cheese.

what makes the item broken is that some champions use it to cheese out of intended counterplay. morgana, kennen, fiddles all these champions are designed with the idea in mind to be targertable during their ults. it extends to other champions like lyssandra aswell.

they use this item to initiate without giving their opponents the ability to react to it.

it should be fixed and the champions that need it need to be fixed aswell, so they can work without being totally dependent on it.

64539310_DEL1 votes

I believe the reason that the item was first created was to help immobile AP burst champions counter any burst targeted at them since they are squishy and can't get away easily. I agree that this shouldn't be used as an offensive item, but I personally think that that champions whos abilities abuse Zhonyas aren't as bad off as you think. Most of them are viable currently, but with the changing meta they are unable to take or deal damage to the enemy (aka juggernaut or most bruisers)

Environmentalist1 votes

Mm, it's a part of the game... THOUGH, I don't think Swain should gain health while he's invulnerable. If he can't receive damage, he shouldn't be able to gain health. Fiddle ult + zhonyas is pretty much a necessity to fid, same with kennen.

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