Make cleanses targeted spell

64539310_DEL·3/28/2016, 5:10:12 PM·5 votes·722 views

Supports would love this. The spell would be used a lot more and it would really add a little more safety to bot laners without escapes. Maybe make it an aoe? Edit: supposed to be "make cleanse a targeted spell"

Edit2: Barrier could also have the same application

11 Comments

OogieBoogs3/28/2016, 5:11:52 PM1 votes

Interesting idea. I support it.

boosted frog3/28/2016, 5:17:27 PM1 votes

Agreed. I want more diversity for summoner spells than just ignite and exhaust for support

Nameless Voice3/28/2016, 5:27:39 PM1 votes

Wouldn't that lead to making it mandatory on all supports?

I feel that it wouldn't be a very fun spell because it would feel like the support is effectively "giving away" their second summoner spell slot to their ADC.

Yes, usually the support takes a spell to help the other player (usually exhaust), but it's still "their" active spell which they can use to make plays in a variety of situations, as supposed to this targetted-cleanse which would mostly just be a reactive spell to use on their ally.

67chrome3/28/2016, 5:33:53 PM1 votes

Supports would love this.

Not that much, summoner 3 is universally solid and supports can already grab item 3222.

It's also worth noting most marksman just don't have anything worth cleansing, and a lot of supports deliver types of CC or sudo CC that cannot be cleansed, as cleanse doesn't do anything vs. pulls, knockbacks, knockups, slowing fields, blinding fields, or suppression. So: 100% useless vs. Blitzcrank Thresh Alistar Ezreal Corki Graves Lucian Sivir. Well - you can cleanse the 0.5 second Blitzcrank Silence, but really. That does not make Cleanse worth it, he can use that every 30 seconds compared to 3 minutes.

Even when Ezreal gets mega-CC potential in item 3025; summoner 1 is still 100% useless vs. him.


Also: biggest threat you're usually trying to save a squishy from as a support is an assassin, and assassins usually have the weakest CC in the game. While you could technically remove the fraction-of-a-second slow Talon applies and reduce his damages by 10% with perfect timing (oh man), no assassin is reliant on CC enough that Exhaust isn't simply better. Also worth noting Cleanse vs QSS/Crucible/Scimitar differs in effectiveness in that Cleanse cannot remove non-CC debuffs and it cannot remove Suppression, while the items can remove a wide range of non-CC debuffs as well as suppression. This in effect makes Cleanse a poor summoner vs. the mark effects applied by Leblanc Zed Akali Katarina, while the cleanse items can at least remove those marks.

In which case: item 3222 item 3139 exist.


Also: biggest issue I have with cleanse ATM is the (lack) of QoL features it has. Mikeal's has a projectile that's fairly slow and unresponsive, leading to a lot of frustrating scenarios using it's active: especially seeing as the difference between 1 frame can mean a 0% CC duration effect and instant-cleanse or 100% CC duration from blowing the effect a fraction of a second to early. Cleansing a CC duration that's been in effect for 70% of it's total time is also fairly useless and a sub-optimal way to spend a 3 minute CD.

xBushx3/28/2016, 5:43:04 PM1 votes

Yes to cleanse...

HELL NO to barrier...This exists in HOTS and is cancer.