It can be frustrating when you use morde's ult and the arena isn't where you intended it to be on the map, like it includes the enemy laner's turret, or maybe has an easy escape spot. I feel like the zone it when casting an enemy away from morde centers the arena around the target enemy and it's hard to see that.
Z3SIeeper20 votesPeople, let's not use Mordekaiser's current power level as an excuse to deny a reasonable QoL request.
I think Morde is bonkers right now too and totally needs a nerf, but this post has nothing to do with that.
Players should always be fighting the enemy and not the UI.
Popperofski1 votesits not a QoL it's a buff that isn't warranted
Ragnaveil5 votesAP in general needs a nerf. You nerf AP you nerf Morde. AP is the problem, not Morde.
Mihalikb6 votesBaiting Morde into using his ult on you in a position where you are either supported by your tower or you can wall jump away is literally the only legit form of counterplay to an incredibly r%%%%%ed zero skill IWIN button.
Yets42408 votesYou are aware of this item here, no? 
SirTauntsALot11 votesYou are aware of this item here, no?
You are aware that tanks and mages do not always build that and that when they do it hinders their power. no?
Yets42402 votesOkay, but getting grievous wounds vs a Soraka/Vlad/Mundo/etc also generally delays people's power spikes, but its still a fantastic idea. Not counter building your opponents is far worse, and much stupider than continuing with your cookie cutter build you want every single game regardless of who you're playing with or against.
Look at pro play. You see a Malz/WW/Morde/Skarner being picked? Guess what ALL of the other team's carries build before their second item? Hint hint, its .
Also, as a tank, getting that early MR against morde is amazing, and for the point on mages, if you're really so against playing smart and building properly, there is also 
into 
. Just like an AD assassin can get 
to vastly lower the kill potential of mages, everyone and anyone can quickly and easily get to deal with Malz/WW/Morde/Skarner.
SirTauntsALot3 votesOkay, but getting grievous wounds vs a Soraka/Vlad/Mundo/etc also generally delays people's power spikes, but its still a fantastic idea. Not counter building your opponents is far worse, and much stupider than continuing with your cookie cutter build you want every single game regardless of who you're playing with or against.
Look at pro play. You see a Malz/WW/Morde/Skarner being picked? Guess what ALL of the other team's carries build before their second item? Hint hint, its
Also, as a tank, getting that early MR against morde is amazing, and for the point on mages, if you're really so against playing smart and building properly, there is also
It's not the same thing mate. Getting ba Zonyas against an AD assasin is gold efficient. You get reasonable defenses and can do some damage with it.
If tanks build , its not a very good item for them.
It is good to note that I have nothing against mordes ult.
PB4UAME2 votesQSS is a great item for tanks though, especially with games ending as quickly as they do. It gives them a decent amount of MR, and the ability to cleanse the CC they will inevitably eat.
Compare it to say, a 
, you get 25 MR, and it costs 1200, you also get a paltry amount of health and a passive that's only effective if you have high base HP regen, which half of all tanks have abysmal values for. If you build it into a 
as many tanks want to to capitalize on their healing abilities, you're sitting on just 25MR until you've spent 1600 more gold, or 2800 total.
gives 30 MR, and it costs 1300, it also gives you arguably the strongest tank active in the game, (or perhaps second strongest after 
) especially in the CC -> burst meta we've been in the last few years.
WoonStruck2 votesBest tank active in the game? Pretty sure CC has the same effect vs tanks as anyone else, and tanks gain the least by cleansing it, due to low damage output. Especially if their CDs are already spent.
WoonStruck2 votesRushing GW vs Vlad is only good if you're already winning because you normally can't afford to spend the money on it for the minimal trading benefit it has vs him in most cases. Vlad's sustain in a fight is rarely the issue, **unlike Soraka and Mundo. **
If he would have won without GW on him, he probably would have won with it on him as well during laning. Its win-more vs Vlad, and entirely unnecessary unless your sole goal is trading hard into him through his empowered Q so you can all-in for a kill next time your CDs are up...which even match-ups can't afford to do.
You want your core items first, then get GW unless you absolutely need it earlier for teamfights due to support or something, not just Vlad.
The majority of the time, GW will not be applied during laning while he's sustaining up. There are, of course, exceptions via champs that can constantly reapply the GW so he can't sustain well even outside of all-ins, but that depends entirely on match-up, which goes around to the point where only certain (winning) match-ups can afford to buy it vs him.
PB4UAME2 votesAlso, they were responding to a comment claiming Morde ult lacked "literally" any other "legit form of counterplay to an incredible r%%%%%ed zero skill IWIN button" when you can literally QSS it off and counter it entirely with a single cheap item.
5050BS3 votesAre you aware that not all mages build 
vs ad assassins?
SirTauntsALot3 votesAre you aware that not all mages build
What are you even talking about? It's not the same thing.
Crescent Dusk3 votesYou are aware that tanks and mages do not always build that and that when they do it hinders their power. no?
How is not dying to an ult and removing the single thing that makes mordekaiser useful in a teamfight hindering the power of tanks?
Mordekaiser becomes a sitting duck the moment he can't ult someone and steal stats off a kill. He becomes a way worse Darius/Kled/Renekton.
Mercurial scimitar gives you AD, a nice amount of MR, removes a CC and gives you a sprint after it. It's an amazing item. If anything, it's unfair that mages don't have a QSS item to build for.
WoonStruck2 votesWasting 1300 gold for laning phase isn't worth it. The majority of the time its better to just not fight him and afk farm under turret if you can't directly fight him.
QSS isn't an excuse to keep Morde overpowerec.
Yets42403 votesIts not just to win laning phase, its also for carries to deny his ability to be relevant in teamfights unless he's already fed.
I'm not arguing one way or another about his power level, or if he should be nerfed/buffed/etc. I was responding to someone claiming its that Morde lacked literally any other counterplay, by pointing out one of the hardest counters to him, that's available to anyone. As you may notice if you follow LCS/LCK/etc, certain champions have been know for having what's called a "QSS tax" in professorial play. This means that the optimal play in many situations, and as many champions, is to build a QSS against them. 
is probably the best example of it, especially back when he was a common mid. Whether or not it makes the champion balanced, I cannot say. What it does allow, however, is a very effective counter measure to those who wish to build it.
WoonStruck2 votesIt does lack counterplay. Even spellshields get broken by the slow at the start of his ult so they still get taken to the death realm. Its really fucking stupid.
Untargetabilities don't put it on CD, unlike every other ranged ability in the game.
If you somehow manage to get out of range of it during its activation, his CD gets fully refunded.
There's no losing situation for morde unless he put himself in a losing situation.
At the very least he should have some form of CD, even if its only 5-10 seconds, if he fucks up his ult.
Instead he can brainlessly smash R on someone if they're in range and there's nothing you can do about it unless you are sivir/nocturne, or have an unstoppable/cleanse because there's no detriment to using it poorly. You shouldn't be forced to play a small subset of champions to reasonably fight morde.
Yets42402 votesIt does lack counterplay.
There is counterplay though, you can buy QSS and cleanse it. Illaoi can R as he ults to counter his, so can Camille, and maybe Ekko (haven't tested myself tbph, my friend who is an Ekko jungle main says it works though) Fiora can with her W, you can use / to block the cast after he starts but before it takes affect. Additionally, if he happens to ult a Shaco, Neeko, or LB clone, or Wukong's Decoy his ult goes on cooldown and fails to activate. Also, as for spell shields, Morgana's E isn't broken by the slow, and blocks the ult. Any unstoppable frames can block it, as its a CC effect, so Sion ult, Kled Ult, Mal ult, Olaf ult, GP W, Rengar W, Ornn W, and incidentally, many of his counters top lane are in that list. Any CC cleanse ability can also end it once its active at any point, these include Alistar Ult, QSS, Olaf ult, Rengar W, and GP W-- of which only Ali's ult is new, but I thought it worth mentioning.
It may or may not be adequate, and he may or may not be too strong right now. Those are not things I'm addressing. I'm merely hoping to share some of the honest to god counterplay that the ability certainly does have, despite people's misconceptions.
WoonStruck1 votesZhonya's/stopwatch doesn't do anything. His CD gets refunded and he'll just mash R on you after the stasis is done. Its better to save it for while you're in his ult to try to survive.
Morgana's E isn't a spell shield. It grants the holder CC immunity for its duration. There's a pretty large distinction between the two.
Funnily enough, the champions beat him that can avoid his ult by some means beat him for reasons completely outside of that. They're all champs that can stat-check him early even with his ult. And even those he usually has good to great WRs vs because he's not forced to fight them. Only Cass, Rengar, and Darius can be qualified as actual counters. One of which has a cleanse.
Ali's ult has always cleansed. It used to grant 90 AD too so he could actually function with his massive CDs too. Guess why he's trash now.
Notice how many things you listed that are reliant on very, very specific champions.
That isn't counterplay. Being forced to pick a pretty small, specific set of champions to reasonably deal with his ult (many of which still can't deal with him) is not counterplay.
Ignoring an effect by some means is not counterplay.
There is counterplay to every suppress in the game outside of Malz, but he's only decent because of his ult (unlike morde), which you can still CC him out of. QSS is not "counterplay". Even if you were forced to buy it to deal with him, that's an item tax, which is NOT a good thing to have in a game.
Crescent Dusk4 votesZhonya's/stopwatch doesn't do anything. His CD gets refunded and he'll just mash R on you after the stasis is done. Its better to save it for while you're in his ult to try to survive.
Morgana's E isn't a spell shield. It grants the holder CC immunity for its duration. There's a pretty large distinction between the two.
Funnily enough, the champions beat him that can avoid his ult by some means beat him for reasons completely outside of that. They're all champs that can stat-check him early even with his ult. And even those he usually has good to great WRs vs because he's not forced to fight them. Only Cass, Rengar, and Darius can be qualified as actual counters. One of which has a cleanse.
Ali's ult has always cleansed. It used to grant 90 AD too so he could actually function with his massive CDs too. Guess why he's trash now.
Notice how many things you listed that are reliant on very, very specific champions.
That isn't counterplay. Being forced to pick a pretty small, specific set of champions to reasonably deal with his ult (many of which still can't deal with him) is not counterplay.
Ignoring an effect by some means is not counterplay.
There is counterplay to every suppress in the game outside of Malz, but he's only decent because of his ult (unlike morde), which you can still CC him out of. QSS is not "counterplay". Even if you were forced to buy it to deal with him, that's an item tax, which is NOT a good thing to have in a game.
Unstoppable works too when he's in his casting ult animation. Illaoi can actually beat him by timing her ult when he raises his cudgel to cast his ult as it makes her unstoppable and mordes ult goes on full cd.
Exodus2476 votesI dont know why people keep crying about his ult. ITS SUPPOSED TO DO SOMETHING BIG, would you rather have the old DoT that did most of your health with 2 items, if not all? Atleast this gives you the chance to fight back or even juke him, which is possible because its happened to me MANY times. The only reason hes 'op' is because he deals magic dmg, and that shit is WAY better than physical, including the free magic pen. Its not morde, its the dmg type.
wolvius2 votesI dont know why people keep crying about his ult. ITS SUPPOSED TO DO SOMETHING BIG, would you rather have the old DoT that did most of your health with 2 items, if not all? Atleast this gives you the chance to fight back or even juke him, which is possible because its happened to me MANY times. The only reason hes 'op' is because he deals magic dmg, and that shit is WAY better than physical, including the free magic pen. Its not morde, its the dmg type.
And that they designed him around the best "ap bruiser" items that are available 
and the rest of them aint even bad on him. He has more versatility than AD bruisers with into or getting 
occasionally. Also better anti-tank with his core items.
IVSakenz4 votesMordes ULT.. just like any champs ULT should not be an auto win button..
And currently the only way to survive it is to bait him into using it under a turret etc...
unless you are warwick or mundo lol..
But my point is that we need more ways to punish mistakes and make counter plays.. not less.. especially against champs that are overloaded
thefatlazycat6 voteshe's not overloaded, just a toxic design and overtuned, compared to sylas he is clearly not overloaded
wolvius3 votesMordes ULT.. just like any champs ULT should not be an auto win button..
And currently the only way to survive it is to bait him into using it under a turret etc...
unless you are warwick or mundo lol..
But my point is that we need more ways to punish mistakes and make counter plays.. not less.. especially against champs that are overloaded
Well riot doesn't seem to agree, they've removed more counterplay than added in the last year:
Counterplay is old league, new league is being able to do so many different things you need to outplay yourself to die.
Morde just uses the new conqueror to well compared to most other in toplane, in fact any consistent damage that is AP uses it better. The healing needs to be normalized for AP and AD, nerf the percentage of healing in general and make it pre-mitigated then AP doesn't have an unfair advantage due to innately lower base mr.
_Also nerf on morde or atleast do something about 
on him, there is no way to outtrade him if he goes these items due to constant %HP from passive, its not like seeker builds into a bad item either unlike which is shit for bruiser as it share passive with 
_.
5050BS3 votesI really hate that enemy can flash or use dashes to get into places that you cant (stuck in walls, over in to nooks)
Its BS when we have no control over the Zone of the Ult. Any area that can not be pathed too by Mord should be blocked off from going to no matter what.
RavenMagus2 votesI actually question whether you're really going to take the time to click on the ult, hover over the enemy, and eye an area on the map for a moment to check for hiding spots before using his ult when you're actually in the middle of fighting someone.
5050BS2 votesThe zone should be centered around Mord and not the target.
