Tianna: %$&@ Mages they should be put in a petricite jail cell

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The point about Sylas is how his magic works. Sylas is smart but he's no Ryze level smart.

The second point is what kind of magic he can absorb. His ability to absorb magic isn't tied to Petricite shackles. The shackles are meant to suppress his magic but he's since learned that Petricite also absorbs it, it doesn't nullify it as Demacians thought. Petricite chains (as his in-game mechanics and ult work) extend his range of magic stealing so he essentially isn't limited to touching people and items in order for him to absorb it.

He's absorbed magic from petricite walls (when he was going to kill King Jarvan) and he's absorbed magic from others (even from items). In his introduction story, he wasn't shackled with Petricite and he still absorbed the fire magic from the little girl he wanted to protect and managed to kill all 3 people due to him not able to control it.

This is true: however the petricide shackles also have a second purpose: storage. As stated in his bio, when he touched the girl her magic immediately channelled trough him: it automatically expelled itself trough his other hand.

It should be noted that petricide itself can be used to 'absorb and release' magic from others: but you would require Durand's knowledge to do so. it does not require an innate ability of channelling magic.

But it seems that ancient magic (Freljordian) cannot be so freely taken as there are some requirements. Iceborn were made by the Watchers and the weapons that essentially control True Ice magic require a "magical fingerprint" to be used as such. Only Iceborn can wield them. But being an Iceborn is in itself a magical ability, to which no True Ice weapon possesses on its own. True Ice is deadly to anyone but Iceborn.

true ice actually transforms it human wielder into an iceborn if they are worthy and descended from other iceborn: this is exactly what happened to Ashe and later Sejuani. the status of 'iceborn' is indeed a magical status, and therefore temporarily 'transferable'.

Ascension magic is likely to work in a similar manner. We know of people who've tried taking Ascended magic when they aren't compatible with it, they become failed Ascended called the Baccai. So Ascension is likely to be a Shuriman version of a ritual to imbue the person with great power but it also requires a "magical fingerprint" in order to be successful. And Ascended change their form after absorbing the magic (Nasus, Renekton, Azir, Xerath). We also have Shuriman versions of Ascended weapons, Chakram called Chalicar that once belonged to Setaka - the Warrior Queen of the Ascended. And Sivir is able to wield it (or use it to its full potential) due to her carrying Azir's bloodline - who's also fit to become an Ascended Emperor.

as far as i am aware Baccai where humans who where considered 'wrothy' for the ascension ritual but came out either incomplete or malformed: Shuriman ascension follows a derived way of Targonian ascension: a person is 'infused' or becomes host to a certain ideal (War, justice.) or a celestial manifestation/body (sun, moon, twilight) The actual ritual of shuriman ascension wasn't exact however: thus the Baccai

it should be noted that the ascended are still human: the magic they gain from ascension transforms them into their spirit animal, but as shown in the 'twilight of the gods' story having your ascension undone (the truth revealed so to speak) transforms them back into what they actually are: humans with borrowed power.

Darkin are Ascended (with their weapons) who changed form due to hemomancy and their prison was the weapons they carried themselves to battle. The sheer influence of carrying such a weapon allows Darkin presence to influence and overtake their new host (Aatrox and Varus) while Kayn is exerting his own influence on Rhaast and does not allow for a full transformation.

Darkin are a different beast: they are ascended who have been driven mad after the war on Icathia and proceeded to master every form of primal magic they could find or muster, Hemomancy being prime amongst them. after Shurima's fall there supposed 'ideal' they embodied dissapeared: this makes undoing their ascension (and therefore making them mortal again) incredibly difficult, if not impossible.

it should be noted that Aatrox is very experienced in corrupting his wielders: he switches from host constantly and has long-lasting plans to raise good hosts which he can posses. Varus meanwhile is stuck with Kai and Valmar who use their love for each other to keep him at bay. Rhaast is actively trying to take over kayn and vice-versa but Rhaast like Varus is kinda new to the concept of corrupting and possessing their wielders.

I feel like Sylas and Xerath would see eye to eye, considering that Xerath hated Azir and nobility in general for being born a slave. His ticket out of it (and taking revenge on Shurima and Azir's bloodline) was to take the power of Ascension for himself. Sylas is largely in the same hole, hating Demacians for looking at him from above as a beaten pitiful dog, needing to be put down. He's always hated the way they treated people like him (mages) and he had 15 years in prison to let his anger and hate simmer, unleashing almost the same amount of destruction upon Demacia - much like Xerath did to Shurima.

But Xerath is far beyond his humanity (thousands of years ago) and he likely doesn't care about anything else but destruction at this point.

pertty much: xerath by this point seeks only more power: and a way to unseal himself from the cursed sarcophagus which keeps him in check (and most likely keeps him from burning out like a match) We have seen that Sylas might also fall for the same lust for power as Xerath, as he thoroughly enjoys wielding it.

imma stop this reply here, this is getting way to large.