What if Zhonya hourglass gets 5 more AP and its price raised by 100g?

Zelorxon·Jul 23, 2017·5 votes·544 views

I was thinking, zhonya right now is a pretty clown item, good only if you have already all you need in your kit and you need situationally the active effect or you desperately need it against physical damage, but sure as hell not an item that i would say "i want this".

And then i saw banshee's veil, which is basically the "magic" counterpart, that costs 3000g while zhonya costs 2900 instead. Which is good in almost every situation since the spell effect is pretty generalist and it's useful to cap out your cdr without ending up with a low-end AP item.

So i told myself, why not just give it 5 more AP and make it cost 3000g so it matches its counterpart?

7 Comments

commit an heroJul 24, 20174 votes

In my opinion the nerfs to Zhonya's was overkill. They nerfed the shit out of the armor, AP and CD on the active. It feels pretty trash to buy at the moment. Let's not mention that it's the only armor item that also gives AP on top of that you also have to stack it for it's full value. Whereas ADs have item 3155 item 3140 item 3139 and I'd argue that the passive on Hexdrinker is better than the Zhonya's active by far.

AnhartaminJul 24, 20171 votes

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commit an heroJul 24, 20171 votes

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Dopa still says it's the best item on the game, btw when was the last time you saw someone buy merc scimitar?

It's only a great item because of it's potential uses. The active on the item is amazing the stats on it are garbage.

Not every game but that makes sense as it's a niche item. It's still a great item. You can sit on QSS for the whole game and upgrade it later or sooner.

Viktor Von LazerJul 24, 20172 votes

I don't have a problem with the suggestion, I just don't think it would be an impactful one. The extra 5AP on your ratios isn't going to make or break any game really unless they live on like single digit health which is a rare occurrence in itself.

DeathBurstJul 24, 20171 votes

Well put.

LankPantsJul 24, 20172 votes

Zhonya's needs a lot more than that to be a decent item. Banshe's also gives 60 MR to Zhonya's 45 armour, and there's better armour pen options in the game so the 45 armour is also point for point worse than the 60 MR. I'd even argue that Banshee's passive is better than Zhonya's active.

IMO they should port over the passive stacking from Seekers, with Zhonya's have 30 shared stacks and giving 1 AP and Armour per stack. The base stats should be reduced to 55/35, meaning the max stats would be 85 AP/65 Armour/10% CDR. This would make Zhonya's an item you preplan more for, if you grab an early Seeker's then the Hourglass is very powerful but without it it's statistically lacking. I'd be fine with anything up to a 400 gold increase along with this.