PSA: To all laners that would like to give their junglers a better leash for free.

Zelorxon··19 votes·2,485 views

Nowadays, junglers have 3 ways they can start their game

-Blue buff -Red buff -Raptors

-Raptors: farming this camp lv1 gives your jungler instant lv2 after clearing the small ones, and gives half a level more at the end of the clear, this start is suitable for many AOE junglers that desire either to reach lv3-4 faster to pressure early, or junglers that want to full clear in order to reach lv6 before the enemy jungler, olaf is a particular jungle since he can do all 3 according to what's the plan, he doesn't really have a major benefit from doing one or another, but most of you won't play him at this level so i won't bother with him.

  • Leashing raptors: Usually it's the mid laner that does it, throwing a couple of autos in the meantime, just be sure to reach lane for when the minions meet or you'll lose your lv2 and you'll start squealing and spamming pings to your jungler because you want him to perform a miracle even if your lane is ungankable and/or you're a late game afk farm champion with no cc/zero kill pressure in lane. Top lane can join in too, the more the better! Just pay attention to use your spells max range so that you can immediately walk to lane to not lose that single minion for the same reason listed above.

So, if your jungler has the means to start raptors it doesn't mean he's trolling so you can avoid running it down mid/refuse to leash to show him who's the bigger boy.

  • Blue/Red: same shit as usual.

  • Leashing when the jungler starts bot lane: League of legends is a game filled with stuff for nerds such as numbers, not wasting and maximizing numbers is usually the key to win, unless you want to lock in that teemo top/rakan mid just because you feel hipster that day. But how can we make our numbers as optimal as possible? Masteries and regen! Usually supports have a lot of regen masteries that would go wasted if the support had to sit idle for the vast majority of the game, you don't do that right? ;)

  • So, if you're a RANGED support, you're usually squishier than usual so you don't have many hp to put on the table, then what you must should do is to tank ONE hit from the buff monster because by the time you walked to lane you already healed it fully, so you can start autoing the wave and the enemy down to apply pressure. You do that right? :)

  • If you're a MELEE support, you usually are tankier than usual, and you probably have relic shield too, so, what can we do in order to not let those hp go wasted when you'll go for executing those minions to help your adc push for the lv2? You tank 2 autos from the enemy buff.

  • If you are the AD CARRY, you tank only one hit, because you're pretty squishy but since you have either doran's blade or shield you will heal that 70~ damage in a couple of autoattacks by the time you reached lane.


It might seem nothing special, but in jungle every single point of mana and hp counts, and if your jungle is not a clueless burden like many junglers i've seen so far, it will help them greatly!

33 Comments

Steelflame5 votes

One of my favorite parts of being a Maokai support main atm is that I can give my jungle a 1200+ damage (From me alone, not even counting the ADC's damage) + 3 hit tank start, or start the enemy jungler off with 100-130 less HP on his jungle clear, or more, if I can land multiple saplings (This being decided based on how much sustain the enemy jungle has vs how much my own benefits from the god-leash). The only thing it takes is the jungler knowing to kite the camp back a step every 2 seconds during that leash to move into each sapling's individual range.

It can entirely set the tune of a jungler's early game to start with such a ridiculous head start in the jungle.

Zelorxon3 votes

Can't you just stack all the saplings in the same place? You can stack up to 3+1 of them, start spamming them between the 0:30 and 0:29 timer, you can also stack them in the wraith's bush.

Steelflame5 votes

Saplings only last 30 seconds early game on an 11 second CD, and the damage doubles when they are in the bush, BUT that damage is spread out over 2 seconds and stacked saplings in the bush do reduced damage, not improved damage. Meanwhile, so long as you kite back one step every 2 seconds and have the saplings staggered in position just right in the blue/red bush, you can kite through all 3 early saplings for a major early start.

Let me give you an example cases.

  1. 3 saplings, all stacked in exact same spot in bush. Lets just say each sapling normally is 200 damage, because thats fairly close to what it is. First sapling hit will do 400 damage. The other two will do 133 each, for a total of 266 between the two of them. Grand total damage is 666 from saplings. ~55% efficiency.

  2. 3 saplings, 1 in bush, 2 on ground under buff. Bush sapling will hit for a total of 400 damage, ground saplings hit for 200 each (400 total). Total damage 800, 66% efficiency.

  3. 3 saplings, staggered to hit every 2 seconds in bush. Each sapling will do 400 damage over 2 seconds, grand total of 1200 damage. 100% sapling efficiency.

The bush duration bonus on them scales with bonus HP, which early game Maokai generally only has enough bonus HP to get an extra 3 seconds of duration on his saplings.

Zelorxon2 votes

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Edit: whatever, you should stack them up anyway because of time. It's highly unlikely that a target in a fight will stand still and let you toss the saplings like you say, also you have to rush to lane or you start missing exp.

Edit2: oooh you mean in the red buff's bush, yeah that might work, but i don't see the necessary space on raptors, you could maybe place one on the ground, one on the top corner of the bush and one on the bottom corner. (i read that wrong, no need to place the sapling on the ground, got it.)

Glory ln Death1 votes

Top lane Maokai can also use this to do a pretty quick buff steal if the enemy is starting bot side.

DaNinad2 votes

I play Nunu support with smite and take q level one to give my jungler a huge lead and proceed to feed lane but its worth it cause my junglers gonna carry me. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

ForFoxSakes2 votes

Great stuff. Jg main and def appreciate strong leashes. It really costs the laners nothing and gives back to the team something.

Other minor things that make a big difference on the opener:

  1. Even if you aren't leashing, fake leash and wait 10-12 seconds before walking into lane. You dont gain any CS in that time while minions are walking up to each other but it prevents giving away info on which side the jungler started so it's much harder to get invaded or for laners to know when to ward for potential ganks

  2. Top side leash the bot lane has time to leash blue buff (ADC to lane here) then the support can hang back to start Krug with an ability + 2-3 autos for the jungler and make it to lane in time to pick up the exp on the first wave.

Zelorxon1 votes

You are assuming this for an elo where you actually have unlocked the minimap DLC and where people don't have eye medical conditions that prevent them from seeing properly, if you're wondering how to unlock the minimap DLC you just have to climb up to diamond 2 trough the hordes of full support jhin mid that gets ganked twice (by me) and with that gold builds a nomad's medallion and the full tank 0/10/0 kassadin top that's just having a bad game. Or the ap rengar, or the 0/11/o plat border teemo, or the full ap support malphite that ults into 5 people alone and then blames the team for not following up.

Zakrani1 votes

I would actually love for any of this to happen in any of my games tbh.

Zelorxon1 votes

If this game wasn't a joke asking it in chat would be the simplest thing to do, but apparently people hate winning so...

Lyndris1 votes

this feels appropriate http://i.imgur.com/AQxgfKu.gif[/img] If i'm say, daina, mid and they are going for the raptors, should i go auto at all? i feel like the cleave passive could steal some baby raptors...

Zelorxon1 votes

It would be nice, but this way you would miss the first minion and so the enemy laner would be lv2 when you are lv1 and shoot at you 2 spells when you only have one to respond, just throw your Q or the barrier thing kiting back towards lane and go in exp range as soon as you can.

Don't worry tho, those fuckers are tankier than how it seems.

kile1471 votes

If you steal one of the raptors the jungler still makes lvl 2 and have a bit of a head start, so it's probably worth the risk.

Zelorxon1 votes

Nope, you steal a single small raptors and the jungler is FUCKED :)))), and now he has to face the red buff with only one spell and no leash. (9/10 times is not a problem, you just skip krugs and possibly gromp, but that's a huge problem since the jungler is not "strolling around the map", when you're farming and deciding which path to take you're actually fighting with the enemy jungler, it means a lot 1v1ing the enemy jungler with one level of advantage, especially if you're 6 and he's 5)

kile1471 votes

I am pretty sure I've taken one of the raptors on accident and the jungler still made level 2...

Zelorxon1 votes

Once you clear the full camp, that happens with any camp, but it's the half level you're taking away. (it becomes half level even if it isn't that much since the rubberbanding exp thing and the jungle item.)

kile1471 votes

If they make level 2 then they are facing red buff with 2 spells. It's obviously not ideal but if they can make level 2 off raptors even if you accidentally take one then the team is still better off for it.

Mig891 votes

I play zyra support and hands down she gives the best free leash. I can usually get three plants spawned on top of the bush and by the time those are dead the buff is ready to be smited or the JG can just save their smite. On the rare occasion where RNGesus is on my side i can get 5 plants attacking the buff, The jungler takes no damage and has their smite.

Zelorxon3 votes

The jungler should smite the buff only if they think it's gonna get stolen, because gromp and krugs deal way more damage than the buff monster, plants are perfect since they can just tank the buff for the jungler, you should learn how to manipulate the rng, i don't know exactly how but i know there's a way, for example if you sit into the bush the seeds tend to spawn inside the bush because the game doesn't want to reveal you to the enemy, also i think there are certain zones on the map such as the jungle entrances where the seeds are more likely to spawn, also it prioritizes walls rather than open field.

Mig891 votes

I know how to manipulate it but I start my E and cant always get all the plants active in a way to leash. The way to do it is to get right in the middle of the spawning area and just move quickly back and forth. Without doing this, youll get a plant or two able to leash. By doing this, I can get 3-5 in there. If I started Q i could easily get all the plants attacking it but I play zyra as a true support champion and value the peel over anything else. Standing in a bush prevents her passive from activating but will hold the charge untl you leave the bush. I always stand in the bush next to the buff until 50 seconds in because that first seed from there will be live when the buff spawns. I have my leashes down :)

DarkRitual1 votes

If you do it right you can get two sets of plants for a longer leash. This is great if you're leashing red while the jungler is doing small raptor start. You take less damage while still offering a solid leash.

Mig891 votes

I've never had that idea suggested in game. I cannot imagine staying in the jungle long enough for the jungler to clear two camps. You would be far too behind on exp going to lane.

DarkRitual1 votes

It seems to work fine for LCS. Part of it depends on the jungler being able to clear small raptors fast enough (not killing large untill after red). Another lesser factor is who your adc is. Some of them have much better level 2 powerspikes, and getting 2 or 3 minions of solo exp means they hit 2 before the enemy duo does. Lucian might be the biggest benefactor of this. However, with plants, you can likely get a good enough leash to have it started while jungler clears small raptors with a small leash from mid. It's likely possible you can still get into lane without missing experience, while still providing a decent leash. I've yet to do this leash at all myself, so it's all speculation and theorycrafting at the moment for me.

Jansports2 votes

When ever I've got good AoE and am blessed with blue team's bot jungle, and happen to have a good Zyra support, I do smalls(2) finish up red(thanks plants!) go get 3 on wolves, against weaker first clears this means you can go lvl3 red buff them at their red and start putting them behind.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

, then what you must should do is to tank ONE hit . . . You do that right? :)

Soraka No. I don't. I already give you 20% of my max health. Unless you get invaded, that's all the blood I'll give. ;p

Cryo001 votes

idk man, I don't care where my jungle starts as long as he/she does a decent job.

Dream High1 votes

Most of my junglers I leash when playing top take the leash and I don't see them for the rest of the laning phase whilst i'm getting camped by their jungler.

Doozku1 votes
Slythion1 votes

I've gave up on the raptor start weeks ago as I've had a couple people straight up refuse to leash me b/c they've thought it was a "troll start"

smh

Divewing1 votes

Get the feeling that there is quite the double-standard sentiment here...

Spoofghoul1 votes

That always seemed so normal to me to do

tank the 1 or 2 hits

I mean let the jungler tank the first 2 hits, since hsi item gives healing from the jungle camp anyway then you and your team tank a few hits and voila jungler gets first camp with full hp

then use relic procs to heal back to full anyway

sobi9991 votes

Tbh i never jungle and i always know how difficult it is to clear your first camp. As a supp i always heal/shield the jungler twice or AA till the buff has like 10% health left. The adc has to go back when it has 20-30% health to farm those 3 minions. Some adc just try to get the other 3 minions as well while i am walking down to lane and lose half hp because of trading with enemy. Bad idea!

Moon Mom1 votes

One thing that's made me sad - junglers expect me to start Q every single game on my champ. W start is better 90% of the time. This always happens when they start raptors and I feel terrible lol.

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