I dream of a game where the jungler isn't the single most important factor for victory

specter424·Aug 18, 2016·1 votes·502 views

Can only hope season 7 changes the balance so the jungler can't have a bigger impact on the game then a laner.

14 Comments

KaiokoAug 18, 20161 votes

I mean it's called roaming but whatever. Also teleport top.

specter424Aug 18, 20161 votes

If you are roaming as a laner you are not pressuring the enemy laner and losing farm, a jungler roaming loses a lot less because jungle camps are easy to kill and worth a good amount.

BluePolarizerAug 18, 20161 votes

jungle camps are NOT easy to kill. You easily lose half your HP in 2 camps even on champs like Master Yi or Shyvana early game.

Axe2HandleAug 18, 20161 votes

I guess OP never had an enemy mid laner roam bot, get a double kill, take tower + drag.

Its okay because he roamed so he missed out on a couple waves of CS.

IceemberAug 19, 20161 votes

You mean the 300 gold worth of cs he got out of the double (that he probably only would have gotten 250 - 275 out of if he stayed to farm) plus the tower gold. And the utility of one of the drakes??

MatthewRT2Aug 18, 20161 votes

season 1

BobaFlautistAug 18, 20161 votes

As a jungle main, so do I. Then maybe I can get some goddamn farm for once.

colesyAug 18, 20161 votes

op has never heard of roaming

KaiokoAug 18, 20161 votes

jungle camps are easy to kill? A jungler if not focused on farming typically falls behind in terms of gold and experience which is why they had to introduce the experience curve to the jungle. Lane also actually offers quite a bit more gold if you're halfway decent at CS. I mean you should miss all of like maybe 10% of the CS unless you're heavily losing your lane.

A jungler ganking definitely does cost them gold if the gank is not successful as even the fastest clearers like shyvanna or yi would need to focus most of their early game in the jungle alone to be successful in clearing all camps before the respawn starts and as they come back up.

Swiftstrike4Aug 18, 20161 votes

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jungle camps are easy to kill? A jungler if not focused on farming typically falls behind in terms of gold and experience which is why they had to introduce the experience curve to the jungle. Lane also actually offers quite a bit more gold if you're halfway decent at CS. I mean you should miss all of like maybe 10% of the CS unless you're heavily losing your lane.

A jungler ganking definitely does cost them gold if the gank is not successful as even the fastest clearers like shyvanna or yi would need to focus most of their early game in the jungle alone to be successful in clearing all camps before the respawn starts and as they come back up.

Most low elo players are about 5-6 cs per minute which is roughly missing half of their CS. Even in gold 6-8 per minute is still missing roughly 30% of CS and that is considered "good".

KaiokoAug 18, 20161 votes

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Most low elo players are about 5-6 cs per minute which is roughly missing half of their CS. Even in gold 6-8 per minute is still missing roughly 30% of CS and that is considered "good".

I'm sorry but there's 12 minions per minute excluding the canon which spawns every 3rd wave so that level of CS is just absolutely ridiculous.

What would you want RIOT to do anyways? Lower jungler gold because lower level players are unable to CS properly, understand jungle routes, and ward appropriately?

Swiftstrike4Aug 18, 20161 votes

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I'm sorry but there's 12 minions per minute excluding the canon which spawns every 3rd wave so that level of CS is just absolutely ridiculous.

What would you want RIOT to do anyways? Lower jungler gold because lower level players are unable to CS properly, understand jungle routes, and ward appropriately?

Oh, I don't know what riot should do about jungler Gold. I was merely pointing out that the average player misses a lot of CS per game. Silver and Bronze players probably miss half their lane CS per game, typically because they just want to "trade". Maybe in platinum people just CS a lot better. My CS is pretty strong per game but I play Nasus so I have to CS well to be of any utility later in the game.

I mean if you just go to NAOPGG you can just look up a typical player to gauge their CS per game. Most of my friends in silver, whether they are winning or losing, sit at 5-6 per minute.

Swiftstrike4Aug 18, 20161 votes

I completely disagree. Roaming does not lose farm if you manage your wave effectively and roam when an enemy laner backs.

I don't think junglers have the most impact. I really think laners mostly impact the game. If people do not know how to lane effectively it definitely is reflected in the game out come.

Junglers can literally have tons of presence on the map and the team can still lose because players may not know how to lane.

BluePolarizerAug 18, 20161 votes

lol. The roles with the most influence on the game are mid and then ADC, bar none.