If I see another person on my team pick lux or brand support and build full damage I'm doing to lose it. Nothing is more annoying than seeing a support build damage and be useless. Build an aegis, build a sightstone, and protect your carries. Its not that hard. I know that people see supports and blame them, I don't want it to sound like I don't appreciate supports. A good support will literally make a game. Trying to be another carry is no what the role is meant for.
BrenderTiger1 votes
Feels left out.
Friendly Ram1 votessorry lux brand zyra brad maokai blitz malzahar sona and zilean. Did i miss anybody?
ADCsBabysítter1 votesIts possible to play full ap support and still be useful. I play bard full ap because late game he becomes just as strong (if not stronger) than the mid laner. and its like your team has 5 damage dealers and a support rather than 4 damage dealers and a support. I feel it just works better. on top of that I still support my adc and get them fed without issues. its a win win. As long as you arent stealing your adc's kills, and still keeping up with vision, I dont see what the problem of going full AP is
ZT Xperimentor1 votesMaybe if assassins were punishable, mages could be played mid again; maybe if marksmen weren't so self centered, people would play as team with them; perhaps if vegetables were tasty, obesity wouldn't be a problem. Just some ideas.
Jyoeru1 votesI can only speak of my experiences, but I offer some thoughts to consider on this topic. As I've played a little over a year, usually pretty limited, and recently more heavily, my role of support had been taken quite literally. I was buying the wards, using the true support characters, following my ADC to hell and back, and watching as my ADC led us both to a fiery demise in many cases. This strategy--the utopian ideal of supports getting no minions or kills and playing characters that purely support the ADCs needs--has not worked for me. I found myself placing B3, almost B2, then tanking to B5 and being stuck there for a month until I just quit playing LOL for a couple months.
Then I came back. This time, I decided to work on my Zyra game. I decided to build her similar to what I would playing mid. I decided to watch my ADC and if he was playing as I thought he should be (passing the Blitzcrank test you could say: not getting grabbed by every flying arm), I would fill a support role and play in the backseat. If not--as has been the case some 60%+ of the time I play, then I go mid-lane mode. I build damage. I push lane hard. I take as many kills as I must. I will wave clear after ADC has been murdered for the X-teenth time. I will mute him when he starts griping.
And this strategy turned everything around for me. I have in the last couple weeks flown to Silver 5 from Bronze 5, seen my KDA get over 3 on average for a change, my win rates are almost 60%, and the games go more smoothly. I can tell when my actions have helped cinch us the win, and many times, this mid-lane support style has been VERY effective.
Now, I can't speak for Gold. I am under the impression that the games from high bronze through Gold are pretty much the same in terms of people playing their role correctly. I will be able to talk about that more if I can make it to Gold, and I am hopeful/optimistic that I will very soon. I have made platinum my goal, and I might even get there, who knows.
But what I am trying to point out is aggressive self-centered support is a thing, it can work, it can still carry games. It may be the case that your supports are bad and you are good at your role. It could also be the case that your support is playing as he does because the passive support roles and champs just don't work for that ELO as well as they ideally should. There are two sides of the story, and I can only tell you my side. And as a support whose had these debates before from ADCs who like to say things like, "WTF fail supp? Y U let me die and not use all the things to save me over and over?" I must admit that I am inclined to believe it is the bitterness flung on supports from ADCs as a consistent issue that may be the cause of your seeming dilemma.
Just my ten cents. :)
Narvuntien1 votesI honestly don't care that much about the champion you choose, although if you pick someone with no CC I am going to be annoyed, like 
or 
or even the somewhat supporting 
bothers me. However, you take my support role and don't buy 
then I want to strangle you, the team needs vision its primarily your responsibility
Jyoeru1 votesFor about 80% of my recent games, I have not taken sightstone in favor of Frostqueen's. I have had people flame me for vision, but playing the support role correctly in the lower ELOs is pretty weak and useless. Our ability to support relies heavily on the team's ability to protect us and take advantage of our supporting the team. I won most of those 80% of the games I am talking about primarily because a lot of things are predictable with general map awareness and the trinket wards are effective to a large degree.
Now, when I see my team taking advantage of my support role more correctly, I will gladly keep on working that role the way I understand it, such as building sightstones. But, if not, I will gladly build however I see fit to keep me going as strong as I can and pushing for a desperate win. Vision is not primarily our responsibility because there's only so much vision we can sponsor at any given time. It's the team's job. We just tend to have the slot to fill with the vision item thus giving us more vision to place on the map. But EVERYONE has vision tools, and when I don't see other people using them, I am not wasting my slot on covering 5% of the map that no one is probably paying attention to anyway :)
Narvuntien1 votesFor about 80% of my recent games, I have not taken sightstone in favor of Frostqueen's. I have had people flame me for vision, but playing the support role correctly in the lower ELOs is pretty weak and useless. Our ability to support relies heavily on the team's ability to protect us and take advantage of our supporting the team. I won most of those 80% of the games I am talking about primarily because a lot of things are predictable with general map awareness and the trinket wards are effective to a large degree.
Now, when I see my team taking advantage of my support role more correctly, I will gladly keep on working that role the way I understand it, such as building sightstones. But, if not, I will gladly build however I see fit to keep me going as strong as I can and pushing for a desperate win. Vision is not primarily our responsibility because there's only so much vision we can sponsor at any given time. It's the team's job. We just tend to have the slot to fill with the vision item thus giving us more vision to place on the map. But EVERYONE has vision tools, and when I don't see other people using them, I am not wasting my slot on covering 5% of the map that no one is probably paying attention to anyway :)
Typically I build both, in lane and eventually move into 
for the team-fights.
But if this sucks at low ELO it seems I'll be stuck in ELO hell because I refuse to learn bad habits because of it.
you know what this is probably why there is no supports in ranked, there is plenty in normals just no one signs up for it in ranked because the better they are the worst they'll do.
Jyoeru1 votesI did that for a long time. It just wasn't working in the lower ELO. Frostqueen's just doesn't do anything for me right now. I have recently gone back to sight stone with early-mid game 2x vision wards and sweeping lens. I light up the map the best I can, just so I know how to do it. And it is helping NOW. But at the lower ELO, I have found that playing like I am all alone has worked the best. As long as YOU know when jungle ganks are likely and are playing a champ that can block the gank when vision is scarce, you will be just fine. I wouldn't call it a bad habit. I think there's a skillset that comes from playing a bit in the dark.
Mysticman891 votesThe only thing I require out of a support is that they don't take my cs and they build a sightstone. If you want to go for the whole 'death is the best cc' thing then ok, but do it on a supports budget, versus trying to take from the carries budget.
Jyoeru1 votesDepending on the ELO and the support, this is virtually impossible. If they are intentionally taking your CS while you're there farming and doing well, then I agree, they're doing it wrong. But if you're off in ADC lala land, I'm taking all your farm when you're off doing whatever it is (hypothetical) you do.
Several support characters, like my main, Zyra, are just going to snag your cs trying to take great poke/kill opportunities. It's just how it works with some supports.
Mysticman891 votesdon't intentionally take my cs*
Cs taken accidentally via your poke/kill attempts is forgivable (but try to be mindful of it), and cs taken when I'm not even close to being there is not my cs.
Jyoeru1 votesFair enough. Though many ADCs believe all CS is their CS no matter where they are or what they are doing. I don't intentionally take CS when my ADC is in my lane and playing decently. But if he's not in lane or playing decently, I just pretend like I am all by myself in my lane and do my Zyra stuff.
Mysticman891 votesYes, well I'm technically a support main these days so I'm familiar with both sides.
Was an adc main last season, and still a bot secondary. If the adc turns out to be trash my sup builds tend to be a little different (and if they play like diamond+ gods they're different from my default build too), so it'd be rather hypocritical to hate on supports getting swole under certain circumstances.
Jyoeru1 votesAye, it's subjective and conditional. In my ELO, I have to play like I am the only one in the game because frequently I am. Once I started doing that, I won a lot more and climbed fast. I know when I get to higher ELO, I will have to play differently usually. I will know more when I get there. #platorbust! LOL, probably not this season, but it doesn't hurt to have goals and confidence :)
BeeCuz1 voteswhy wait, avoid the rush -- Lose it NOW! http://img11.deviantart.net/8ef9/i/2015/232/c/9/harley_quinn_by_salty_art-d96gzo2.jpg
