As funny as it will sound but Ryze needs a rework again lol

Darkin Hybrid·Mar 1, 2018·3 votes·754 views

He can't be balanced properly because he's too weak or too hard to master for an average player, and he's always picked in pro play.

There are many problematic aspects of his kit, like his point to click CC, low cooldowns meaning he will just spam you with abilities while you'll be CC'd every 2-3 seconds (based on what the actual cooldown is for his W).

His R is just what makes him have a such a high pick rate in LCS. Even with all the nerfs to his R, with the cooldown increase it still won't bring him down in my honest opinion, while those who want to master him will find him difficult to work.

5 Comments

Glory97Mar 1, 20183 votes

Ryze will always need a rework, because riot thinks that his point and click root is a key part of his core identity and refuses to let go of it. And after every rework he'll remain unhealthy and in need for a rework

Darkin HybridMar 1, 20181 votes

True.

YuGiHoMar 1, 20181 votes

i miss his q being a point and click red ball

nelogisMar 1, 20181 votes

But we are going to keep the point and click E + W right?

Teridax68Mar 1, 20181 votes

While Ryze's point-and-click root gets a lot of flak, I don't think that's actually what's wrong with his kit. Getting hit by hard CC shouldn't be a death sentence, even if the CC came from a skillshot, so if you're getting killed just from a root, the problem lies with the champion's mode of damage output. In this particular case, Ryze dealing nearly double damage on his Q for massive burst I think is what's causing his root to be problematic on him in his current iteration, and his ill-fitting, LCS-oriented ult is also responsible for creating a huge rift between standard and pro play.

Personally, what I think needs to happen is that Ryze needs to be pushed specifically towards DPS, and should have emphasis placed on his ability to defend himself, rather than his ability to perma-kite or trail an opponent. Because of this, I don't think he actually needs mobility, but he could definitely use some more interactive defenses. Generally, the issue with Ryze to this day is that there isn't all that much he does that enemies can outplay (which makes his point-and-click W all the more frustrating), so when he inevitably gets reworked in the future, emphasis should be placed on the options his opponents have to mitigate his strength.

Personally, I feel Ryze's core playstyle should be the ability to mark lots of targets before spreading a specific effect to them. In this case, Spell Flux should be his way of marking individual targets, and if they stay close enough his Q or W on one target could spread to the rest. Additionally, alternating between Q and E should be core to his dueling pattern. Because of this, I feel his Q should be his only source of damage, and could perhaps have no cooldown on its own, but would require Ryze to "cleanse" his target with E before being able to damage them again (or even just prep targets with E so that his spells can hit them in the first place). Ideally, this should allow Ryze to be a spammy DPS mage with point-and-click hard CC, but in a manner that would allow his opponents to avoid most of his damage if they play well.