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Swain Rework a Complete Failure

Hellmet·2/21/2018, 5:15:20 AM·1 votes·677 views

This champ is broke in so many ways, I just don't understand the rework at all.. especially for a champ that really didn't need any changes. Now, he is basically a 2 button champ.

  1. The W is basically worthless, it's delay is so long that enemy champs easily dodge. The only situation where this seems to work is when the other team is grouped together in a major fight and they just can't see the spell coming among all the other spells. Other than that, they can easily dodge. It takes too long to land so you can't cast it on them.. if you try to cast ahead of them they just move out of the way.. the radius is to small to even hit champs running away from you. This is, for all intensive purposes the most worthless ability in the game.

  2. The R, his ult is pretty much as worthless as his W. It takes so long before you can fire it off that the fight is over before it's ready. Either 2 things happen, you are either dead or the other team is dead or has escaped from you.. not that you only have your E to try to root them but get this.. the ult takes so long that you can root.. and they still have time to flash or escape away with the million of escapes that in the game now. On top of that his ap doesn't scale.. so the damage return you get from this ability has very little return... and yes, that is with the full stacks/red marks.

  3. His Q is fine.

  4. His E is fine.

Overall though this champ rework just feels really wrong. His win rate is low and every game I have played with him he just fails in most all aspects of the game. Unless you get way ahead early he just doesn't perform (any champ looks good if you get way ahead early). No scaling ap.. so it's stupid to load him up on ap.. you have to build him half tanky but there is little to no return for doing that other than you get to live longer.. hey maybe that would let you live through casting your ult.. but then again the other team would probably be dead.. so maybe you can explode it on some jungle creeps.

I'm done with this champ, very poor of Riot on this one.

4 Comments

Kitsunes Lust2/21/2018, 5:45:03 AM2 votes
  1. his W deals really good damage (100-300 (+70% AP)). You just have to use E>W in front of them>pause for a half second>Passive, and Q and it can deal over 45% of their HP at level 3 (with electrocute anyways)
  2. he is a mid game scaling battle mages he is best in team fights. the Less people his ult has to HP drain the longer it's gonna take yes. with just 1 person, it'd take 10 seconds to drain (needs to drain 150/300/450 in order to activate, and drains for 15/30/45 HP per second for 12 seconds) it can drain a max of 3 champs, making his healing take only ~3.333 repeat seconds with all 3 draining, but you want to delay the explosion as much as possible to provide more damage, use your spells inbetween, and to heal as much as you can before exploding. and it does allow him for some really good sustain as well. And that's why you also take ghost/Crystal Scepter on him for the slow and the MS buff so you CAN chase. he is a battle mage. Battle mages like Ghost and Crystal scepter for the sticks since they have a lack of an engage/stick

you're just playing him improperly and not taking his full kit combo into consideration. What i like to do is E>W in front of them>Re-position yourself away from their minions>Passive>Q. The problem with swain in laning phase is yes, he can be a lane bully, but he is so mana reliant and position reliant and front line minions block his Q and back line minions can block his E, so you have to play smart with how you position not only yourself, but the minions as well. He is the grand general now, a true strategist. you have to figure out how to play not only safe early game, but also play strategic, 5 steps ahead. Use your AA to farm, and Q to land multiple last hits on minions, and if you catch them out away from their minions and if in range, E>W in front>wait 0.5 seconds/reposition yourself>Passive>Q and the W will hit, and it has a good slow (25%-65% for 2.5 seconds), so you can just walk away, since they are very slow for a few seconds.

That's just my thought anyways. im almost M7 on him. [sg-kiko]

Oh Me So Ornny2/21/2018, 2:44:42 PM1 votes

He isnt useless. I feel his big prob is his kit is unreliable and has a ton of counterplay to it for the damage he does. There are alot of champs that dont have to work as hard for the same/more damage. IE galio, ori, rumb , ect

he is really fun tho so i been spamming him. I like playing "weaker" stuff

Oh Me So Ornny2/21/2018, 2:53:23 PM1 votes

i Agree. im just saying he does what swain does but better and easier/more reliably. Im saying i dont think swain is BAD, rather just other people are better