The Current Meta is Unbearable

CloakAndGrenade·Aug 24, 2018·10 votes·3,638 views

The damage creep The mobility creep ADC's are trash tanks are trash non-damage supports are trash Comebacks are impossible The game is decided pre 20 minutes AD Garen is a thing. Point and click one shot champions are rampaging

Picks that I've played for years because I enjoy the champ, in every role, are currently unplayable. Shen, Taric, Poppy, Janna, Sona, Soraka, Lulu, Sejuini, Skarner, Ivern, Ornn, Ashe All completely worthless

The supportive playstyle has been entirely murdered this season. Across all roles, not just the support. The idea of setting your teammates up just doesn't work right now. Tank players, support players, team-oriented players all suddenly have to figure out how to play the damage carry role or give up hope of winning any games.

Its the saddest thing I've ever seen in this game and its just getting worse.

Keep pushing the game towards selfish playstyles for LCS riot, and you are going to drive away a rather large chunk of your player base for good.

35 Comments

ThimesAug 24, 20183 votes

Shut up and buy new Ashe skin XD

CloakAndGrenadeAug 24, 20181 votes

When they fix the game to where immobile CC carries are viable again I will. Maybe not though. Project Ashe OP.

GodlyBaneAug 24, 20182 votes

ashe can still out kite rengar, out range and out DPS a jhin, melt tanks, and can destroy anyone that tries to engage her or even run from her. Not to mention her across-the-map things

ThimesAug 24, 20182 votes

Rengar one-shot Ashe form invisibility with one item 100 to 0, easily circumventing Ashe ult by means of Night Edge/QSS/Flash/ability to chose time to jump freely and much shorter ult CD. Jhin deletes Ashe instantly and doesn't care about her slow with his broken movement speed, you would be lucky if you manage to W->AA him before you die. I wanna see Ashe destroying Talon, Zed or any other assassin or at least Quinn. I think AFK Quinn has better changes to win 1v1 then Ashe, just by one-shotting Ashe with single Duskbalde/Sormrazor proc in response to taking damage. Seriously only thing Ashe can do is ran far behind her team, ult people and hope no one cares to waste time on her so that she can clean up the fight after everyone used everything on more important targets.

CloakAndGrenadeAug 27, 20181 votes

1.) It doesn't matter if she can't melt tanks because tanks are garbage right now. To the point where even champs like Garen and poppy are building near full AD. 2.) Ashe can only kite a Rengar if he shows his face for no reason. If he ults in, he will one shot before he even finishes the leap animation. The same goes for most other assassins in the game. 3.) Jhin one shots Ashe with a fourth shot or stormrazor proc by mid game and has so much mobility at the moment that her slows are nearly inconsequential. 4.) Cross map arrows are difficult to hit and rely on your opponent to be dumb enough to stand in one spot for nearly four solid seconds depending on the range, and even then requires that her team do the rest of the work for her, because it does almost no damage unless she's building full AP, which is stupid.

You are wrong sir.

GodlyBaneAug 27, 20181 votes

tanks are still as good as they ever were, i can show u a 200 armor 150 MR sion? or maybe a cho gath? or maybe a maokai! no even better, LEONA OR RAMMUS. support your conversation and no, if u post a video i dont want to see a 0/4 level 7 rammus still building his jungle item while getting 3 shot by a 12/3 vayne.

Moody PAug 24, 20183 votes

i agree, there's not enough Volibear right now

vgamedudeAug 24, 20183 votes

adcs are trash ahahaha

yeah right.

CloakAndGrenadeAug 27, 20181 votes

Do you have any other explanation as to why champions like vlad, swain, yasuo, ryze, cassiopia, etc, started to replace them in bot lane? Do you care to actually address their winrates, or that the presence of such high damage in this meta means they usually get one shot without being able to be involved in fights? or that they are traditionally tank killers and tanks aren't worth a damn right now? If you're going to bother to comment, create an argument. It's not hard.

vgamedudeAug 27, 20181 votes

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Do you have any other explanation as to why champions like vlad, swain, yasuo, ryze, cassiopia, etc, started to replace them in bot lane? Do you care to actually address their winrates, or that the presence of such high damage in this meta means they usually get one shot without being able to be involved in fights? or that they are traditionally tank killers and tanks aren't worth a damn right now? If you're going to bother to comment, create an argument. It's not hard.

They don't. Tired of you people posting lies like this, look up actual numbers none of those reach any meaningful percentage compared to standard boring ass ADC picks. Which are BY FAR more prevalent. Swain has a freaking 1 percent pick rate.

ShablagooAug 24, 20182 votes

Lol the boards are really sad now a days really, before they had some substance, now its such non-sense. My mains arent meta = meta sucks, then isnt that fucking bias? Then there is the fact that you complain about something when the champions you play have it. Hate this mobility creep, plays Shen, Poppy, and super speedy Janna? Complain about point-click, when Janna, Ivern, and Soraka have point click shields and heals? But its not dmg so it isnt op.

CloakAndGrenadeAug 27, 20181 votes

Janna has a movement speed buff that she loses if she uses her W, her only form of damage (the tornado scaling is awful not to mention it is easily dodged). Any assassin with ghostblade active is faster anyway. Not to mention a Janna, even full AP, is not gonna one shot you. Shen has a single dash, poppy can only dash to enemies. Aatrox has 3 non-situational dashes, Akali has 2, Kayne has a dash on a much lower CD, not to mention he can walk through the terrain. all are much greater range than Shen's taunt and deal FAR more damage.

And point and click shields? should you have to land a skill shot to shield or heal? that's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. It's not that my mains aren't meta, its that the supportive playstyle has been all but removed from the game entirely.

The concept of setting your team up is all but gone. The game is currently about who can dash into one shot the enemy team as fast as they can. There are no comebacks because an early lead means you run away with the game. The more methodical, strategic, team fight orchestrated team comps are worthless at the moment. It's all about who can play the most selfishly to solo carry the game. Supports are worthless, team fight CC oriented ADC's are worthless. Supportive set-up junglers are worthless. Nothing but assassins and divers as far as the eye can see. Tanks are building full damage because tanks aren't playable at the moment.

Your comment is so unbelievably ignorant that it kind of boggles my mind. You complain about substance then proceed to demonstrate you have no idea what you're are talking about. You don't actually address anything that I pointed out, only attempting (poorly) to accuse me of being a hypocrite. It is overwhelmingly agreed upon that the meta right now is bad. Even riot has mentioned something to that effect in their most recent "riot please".

Atleast think for a minute before posting a comment, please and thank you.

ShablagooAug 27, 20181 votes

Oh yes the movement speed buff that is on top of her passive, I guess that means that because garens q has a cooldown he isnt mobile? Regardless you are mobile, speed buffs count too, so you pick and choose which mobility is cancer to you. Also its easily dodgeable if you are ranged, but if you a melee its cancer, on top of the slow she has her peel is massive. Yup here it is they are ok to have mobility because they are the champions I play. Do you not see how bias that is? Mobility is mobility you cant pick and choose which one is cancer just because you dont like it.

Redemption has to be aimed, it works out fine, just like dmg if they are more rewarding for landing then its fine. You say that because you have the ability to miss so it seems inconvenient, looking at sona I cant fine a shred of skill expression from that champion, and nami is only skill reliant because she has a bubble to hit. Bard has a skill shot heal? Supports should because spam bots became cancer. Also you are going to pretend one, that tank supports that actually have to strategically peel wasnt removed when the ardent meta came along?

You wanna know why this team oriented idea was removed and it went back to solo carries, because thats the whole idea of soloq. When people queue up for soloq they dont want to be worried about the random team literally pulling you down to hell with them. Come back gold is a thing thats now given to one player so they can carry. In reailty the old meta was which one could gank bot more so they can carry you. This team game myth was cancer that the boards complained.

GUESS WHAT EVERYONE FUCKING META IS BAD IN THE BOARDS EYES, last meta was shit the meta before was shit. Literally certain people just are getting burnt out from playing leagues to much and then blame it on the meta. The boards will not be satisfied with the next season I guarantee it, because universally players will fucking complain. The reason I didnt comment on your shit because its all biases bullshit man, thats what the boards is, they never look at multiple perspectives. When adc were on top they complained, then tanks were on top they complained, mages were on top they complained, now assassins are on top and people are complaining. Your post says nothing new, thats why I dont comment on your bullshit because it shows nothing new.

CloakAndGrenadeAug 27, 20182 votes

I'll say it again because apparently, you're slow. Any assassin with ghostblade can outpace her move speed. It doesn't matter how fast Janna is, she can't hop over the terrain.

Calling Bard's heal a skillshot is really stretching. He places shrines. Its point and click, he's just placing it on the map, not on a champion, which he CAN do by using the W directly under his ADC. There's no projectile, no cast time, barely even an animation.

Redemption has a cast radius so wide that its not really possible to miss it.

You are incredibly ignorant.

You strawman my statements and have an arrogant attitude despite the fact that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

The only reason you're defending this meta is because you play a crapton of yasuo and rengar and fizz and other champions that are absolutely rampaging in the current meta. You're only calling the other roles out for complaining because its your selfish, arrogant playstyle that has been buffed into meta.

Newsflash for you: Leage has always been a team-oriented game. Its 5v5, not 1v1. Team synergy has always mattered at every level of gameplay. Trying to say that it being a team game is a "boards myth" is mind-bogglingly dumb.

If my post really says nothing new, then why did you bother spewing your vitriolic typical assassin main vulgarity all over this thread? Is it because if anybody listens to these complaints you wont be able to headbutt your keyboard to 1v5 carry?

Give me a break.

ShablagooAug 27, 20181 votes

Ya she can't hop over the wall, because she is support? She can heal the entire team while knocking back the whole team too? She can shield someone? What is your point every champion has qualities? You just keep highlighting them and then calling them op because your champion doesnt have them?

Yes calling it a skillshot is a stretch but calling it point click is too, you have to aim properly in a teamfight, you can point click to place it but you have to aim it too.

Strawman at its best, the point wasnt the fact that its huge, its the fact that its a skill shot. Its the skill expression and how you pick and choose that arguement to fit what isnt beneficial to you. Mobility is op, expect for the champions I play, point click is op but not shields or heals they dont deal dmg so they can't be. You literally pick and choose what isnt yours then call it op, then say the meta is trash because of this, and because other people do the same you think the meta is trash. Its pure bias man.

Lol I am not defending the meta though dumbass, I have never once said this meta is fine, but you literally are just picking and choosing what you view as op because they happen to be less trash then the rest of the champions. Where you complaining about mobility when Janna was meta? How about the huge dmg? Oh wait Janna was meta and could shield everyone with item 3190 and heal them with her ult and redemption. You are just talking now because you arent meta anymore. Nami is a heal bot she is meta, but because she takes some skill and you need to aim you dont play her.

And again this team fight comes because you are a support mean. Dont play soloq then, teamfights happen, but it literally is dependent on how competent your team is, if they arent you lose. People got sick of that then they changed it. Deal with it till the next meta shift comes. We all know tanks are coming back soon, they nerfed electro the major run for most assassins, and duskblades dmg is getting nerfed again. What more is there to complain about? Nothing you are just mad that your champions arent meta then call me arrogant when I call you out on it.

KlydeFrogAug 27, 20182 votes

Yep . people dont understand what meta actually means. It has nothing to do with what champs are played. Its more of builds and items. For instance varus should start with his w and with dorans ring because his damage is higher. That is an example.

RekSai CoffeeCoAug 24, 20182 votes

It seems this meta is indeed not bearable. Volibear

theChibiTinaAug 24, 20181 votes

Ashe and Sejuani see pro play so they probably won't even touch them with a ten foot pole.

[sg-soraka]

CloakAndGrenadeAug 24, 20181 votes

have they? I honestly haven't watched since C9 scrapped their entire roster for rookies. They get zero play in solo que at my elo and have abysmal winrates so :/

theChibiTinaAug 24, 20181 votes

I only really watch TSM games, but I've seen Ashe picked into TSM a few times this split and seen Sejuani picked frequently by TSM or into them early in the split. Some others I've seen picked more frequently the latter half of the split, but since I don't watch outside TSM much, I don't know how frequently she's picked overall. The only teams I really watch outside of TSM is the occasional C9 or 100T game because I like Sneaky and I like Aphromoo.

GodlyBaneAug 24, 20181 votes

Mobility creep is a stupid circle jerk that shouldnt exist, and mobility is a perfectly fair mechanic that should always be allowed. If u say non-mobility champs are bad, go to OP.gg and look at anivia, malz, and xerath (upon many others) they have HUGE anti-mobility in their kits.

adc's are just an average role that scales into late game

Tanks are just as good as they ever were (trust me i played sion and when 4 people were on me, it still took max 5 - 7 seconds for me to ACTUALLY get into my passive) dont make me mention maokai

Janna is still OP Nami is busted Soraka is viable Supports that are non damage work too affectively lulu can also still carry teamfights as long as one person other then the lulu has a functioning brain dont even get me STARTED on why Alistar is so fucking Overpowered

the rest i can agree with tho :D

(I upvoted ur post, but please realize that these things i mentioned arent/are a problem^)

CloakAndGrenadeAug 27, 20182 votes

Tanks and supports have some of the lowest winrates the overall class has seen in the history of league of legends (lulu and karma at 47% for example). The Soraka and Nami builds that -are- working are near full AP/damage. Tanks are building full damage (Garen, Poppy, etc) in the top lane and jungle.

ADC's were nerfed so bad they stopped being played entirely and champions like Vlad, Swain, and even Yasuo were being played bot lane instead.

Supports as a class have less gold income and worse support items than they have had in almost three seasons. The bonus shield/healing power across all three items is now equivalent to what a single item used to give. Targon's brace now gives HP around the same as a god damn dorans blade, and supportive keystones like guardian are nearly useless.

So I disagree heavily. Alistar is the odd one out because his ultimate has allowed him to survive the tank changes, and unlike say a thresh or a blitzcrank, the mobility buffs don't hit him as hard because his combo is point and click.

GodlyBaneAug 27, 20181 votes

tanks are not damage carries, all they can do is soak in damage, they are still busted, they just cant solo carry like lets say Fizz, or a good Yasuo player can.

ValiantKillerAug 24, 20181 votes

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The damage creep The mobility creep ADC's are trash tanks are trash non-damage supports are trash Comebacks are impossible The game is decided pre 20 minutes AD Garen is a thing. Point and click one shot champions are rampaging

Picks that I've played for years because I enjoy the champ, in every role, are currently unplayable. Shen, Taric, Poppy, Janna, Sona, Soraka, Lulu, Sejuini, Skarner, Ivern, Ornn, Ashe All completely worthless

The supportive playstyle has been entirely murdered this season. Across all roles, not just the support. The idea of setting your teammates up just doesn't work right now. Tank players, support players, team-oriented players all suddenly have to figure out how to play the damage carry role or give up hope of winning any games.

Its the saddest thing I've ever seen in this game and its just getting worse.

Keep pushing the game towards selfish playstyles for LCS riot, and you are going to drive away a rather large chunk of your player base for good.

Adc trash yah right special now that 80% of games still decide by good bot lane. Tanks are trash sure what is the counter to Rammus with item 3075 early ingame ? none.

Nami Soraka isn't trash by all means.

ThimesAug 24, 20182 votes

Oh terror, Rammus with Bloodthirster, nerf tanks pls. [slayer-jinx-unamused] The only thing decided by bot lane in gold is the amount of kills that bot lane feeds to enemy assassin jungler/mid.

ValiantKillerAug 24, 20181 votes

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Oh terror, Rammus with Bloodthirster, nerf tanks pls. [slayer-jinx-unamused] The only thing decided by bot lane in gold is the amount of kills that bot lane feeds to enemy assassin jungler/mid.

Yah sure special when i see Draven or MissFortune destroy our mid laner in 2 hits cause our adc was dumb enough to fed them, sure.

KlydeFrogAug 27, 20181 votes

Umm tb fair. Its not so much fed mf then it is her extremely strong passive. She basically gains

ValiantKillerAug 27, 20181 votes

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Umm tb fair. Its not so much fed mf then it is her extremely strong passive. She basically gains

Draven q, mf and jhin passive are the reason they burst ad over being adc

KlydeFrogAug 27, 20181 votes

To be fair draven is a skillshot. Jhins are just aa. But mf has her q and her passive.

ValiantKillerAug 28, 20181 votes

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To be fair draven is a skillshot. Jhins are just aa. But mf has her q and her passive.

Still doesn't make it up for their damage, no matter what they adc they should be more of damage over time not burst damage as assassin.

CloakAndGrenadeAug 27, 20181 votes

If tanks are building full AD because tank builds are -that- bad, that is an issue and is precisely what I'm talking about. Tanks shouldn't be building full damage. So you haven't debunked my post, only helped my point.

ValiantKillerAug 27, 20181 votes

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If tanks are building full AD because tank builds are -that- bad, that is an issue and is precisely what I'm talking about. Tanks shouldn't be building full damage. So you haven't debunked my post, only helped my point.

It was mistype i meant to put thronmail not bloodrazor

Warlord RhinarkAug 24, 20181 votes

Yep. Volibear isn't too comfortable in this meta.

KlydeFrogAug 27, 20181 votes

Well get gud i guess. Not sure how you think skarner taric shen sej and ivern are unplayable? Pray tell

AllStarSailorNov 15, 20191 votes

I agree, as a support main support just isn't enjoyable anymore. I enjoy peeling and caring for my ADC and teammates, but with the current forming meta it feels strange to try to focus on building damage. I would have never considered building lethality as part of support. Although I suppose this has always existed with damage mage supports. But those always seemed to get rolled later in game. The current AD supports like Pyke are a little out of control.