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To people whining about CDR.

Rysophage··4 votes·1,025 views

You "mid mains" do realize that cdr per level blues give you ~15% at lvl 18 right? this means when you build ONE CDR ITEM WHICH IS USUALLY 20% and you get like 25-30 in the early game just from that alone. that's not counting blue buff. But i know your problem. you're too busy running full AP rune pages and complaining that you need blue buff instead of learning how to manage your mana or use your blue slot for something else other than AP.

item 3165 item 3174 <----(one of these should be your starting item i don't care who you're playing. the only exception is like..tear builders. Stop starting fucking item 3285 and complaining that you have no mana/cdr. You didn't build it dumbass.)

On the topic of essence reaver. First fo all it takes caster adcs who don't benefit 100% from crit to build a second crit item. ITS. NOT. OPTIMAL. Lucian for example, would be better off building hard AD with armor pen rather than crit. his double shot has lower damage so that means the crit is way lower too. But no one reads that's why i'm here in the first place. What about Ezreal? His base AD and scaling are fairly low so he also benefits from hard AD. Since IE doesn't give 80 AD anymore there's not even a real reason to build it on him especially considering his Q dosen't Crit (because we can all agree that would be 100% bullshit.) Long story short, The only adcs that would actually build Crit AND CDR would probably be Corki(magic damage crits lolol) Quinn or MF. And when was the last time you even seen them banned in the regular season hm?

22 Comments

Zorae424 votes

Excuse you. I run MR blues. And now I have to give up on my durability just to get the same CDR I could get before the new patch? Meanwhile AD casters/caster ADCs no longer need their CDR blurs and can take the MR blues, maikng my life that much harder.

I'm sorry that I don't want my max CDR to be dependent on a limited buff that sometimes the jgler doesn't have time to give or needs more.

Rysophage2 votes

You do realize cdr per level has been standard all through season 5 right? Control mages dominated mid-lane and they don't need the MR since its hard as hell to trade with them anyway. What do you mean before the new patch? what im talking about is the rune page i've been running since the beginning of the season. building one item to max out cdr leaves you open to build abyssal or banshees for mr. or, you can start grail, WHICH GIVES MR AND CDR. THINK.

no mr runes page = more cdr. build grail. makes up for mr loss and gives cdr (you now have 40% cdr, dont build anymore) you now have 4 open slots to build whateveritem 3157freakingitem 3285 AP itemitem 3151 you want.

I started trying to help you people out and this is the thanks i get?

Zorae423 votes

??? Since when? When I could get 10% from masteries, 20% from morello/athene's, and then 10% from blue for most mages. If I felt like being silly and rushing that 40%CDR I could take 5% from masteries, 20% from morello/athene's, and 15% from boots (max cdr on lux with two items was quite fun). I never needed that scaling cdr unless I was playing someone that went with RoA or Tear instead of Athene's/Morello (which wasn't that often for me personally).

I built grail anyways. So I am losing mr since I now need to run those runes on all my mages.

And that CDR mastery that does exist? It requires you to go for Thunderlord's Decree and not get any mpen from your masteries. It comes with a tradeoff. If you're a DoT/sustain mage you prefer deathfire touch and can't get any CDR from masteries at all.

You tried to claim that people would rather run AP blues because they don't care about their mana, and when I pointed out that I prefer mr blues you claimed everyone ran cdr runes. So which is it? You tried to claim that people didn't rush morello/athene's when champs like Lux and Ziggs were(are) so mana hungry they couldn't function without one and could still run out of mana even in late game with one of them. How exactly are you helping?

Boulderox3 votes

How does Lucian not benefit from from crit? EVERYTHING has crit now so it is icing on the cake for him, item 3508 is his wet dream and gives LOTS OF CRIT do to its effects. Mana regen and CDR is best on lucian, as he only pumps out optimal damage with spells and passive combo. The fact that people are maxing w first just shows this, and how his dash is free in some cases thanks to the amount of mana regen you get from just essence reaver.

I may be unranked, but when one role can't hit max cdr with invested runes... and has to build hybrid items item 3115 item 3152 would be the only other useful cdr items for ap, yet most of the time points are wasted... just to get that cdr they may need, where marksman build all offensive and have cdr slapped on for shits and giggles. Something isn't right... Ap champs have statistically shown to be lacking everywhere, tanks and melee assassins are coming more and more common, out of all the games i have played (norms), most of the time there is 7-8 ad to 2-3 ap per game. Also the reason why hybrid champs are dominating right now, any cheap mixed dps is insane due to ad buff, and reduction in ap means loss of mr to counter it.

LiveYiOrDieHard2 votes

"ADCs that don't benefit from crit"

http://imgur.com/Yu6lgrP

Rysophage2 votes

You literally have no experience with this game. Stop talking. Casters don't benefit from crit like i said. Bronze two rekenton mains with 90 wins don't know anything about adcs or the crit stat.

Rock MD4 votes

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You literally have no experience with this game. Stop talking. Casters don't benefit from crit like i said. Bronze two rekenton mains with 90 wins don't know anything about adcs or the crit stat.

  1. You don't get 40% crit anymore, since they removed the CDR from the masteries. You now cap around 35%.

  2. You don't get both mana regen because both of them don't give you a lot of AP. You're just straight out gimping yourself.

  3. The issue is that I'm forced to run CDR/lvl blues to not even cap CDR while champions like Lucian, Ezreal, Graves, and Miss Fortune can cap CDR with two items that are extremely beneficial to them.

  4. You have 600+ games in Silver V. I legitimately have more respect for Bronze II's than that brand of garbage.

Rysophage1 votes

so out of meta champions are seeing play and that's a problem? k. Mid laners can no longer get everything they want when they want on top of having the most ultilty in the fuckin game? k. mid lane is going to be out of the spotlight for once? k. Tanks still don't die, Burst mages are going to have no problem in this meta, assassins are going to be more important, and when all of that gets nerfed mages will go back to where they were and we'll start this all over again. also...THIS ISNT FINAL. I dont get why people think that this is how season 6 is going to be they're obviously going to patch all the broken stuff out so fucking RELAX.

On the topic of my rank, I had issues climbing because of alot of things. beginning of the season all i did was adc since it's my strongest role, i wanted to figure out who was the best to try and win games with. I went with vayne. if your mechanics are on point you're usually fine and i've learned alot from playing the champion everyone wants dead all the time.

If you take into consideration the amount of know nothing children in my elo that will say "fuck you or "fuck off" when you try to fucking help them or tell them to buy a ward and maybe they wont get ganked all the time, or the people that just straight afk when they die or the jungler doesn't give them blue buff, or some dumb shit. yeah i lose ALOT of games. I can't control 4 other people. I can only worry about me and you can't win a game by yourself. But you damn sure can lose one. I've tried the brain dead champion route, hell i have an 70% win rate on Annie. But that's just not how i like to play. i like to challenge myself. im not a fizz player. MY playstyle is contradictory to climbing the ladder so that's why i'm in silver. Everyone tells me to just play someone easy and faceroll but i dont want to i want to learn how to play the damn game and i can't do that surrounded by circus peanuts. But thanks for calling me garbage i've only heard that 174681746145 times from 14 year olds that are 0-7 before 9 minutes. it dosent phase me.

Rock MD1 votes

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  1. I know the changes aren't final. We're showing our frustration to Riot and how we want things fixed.

  2. "You know nothing about the kids in my elo" you seem to act like decent players have never been low elo. Ever. In their lives. Nope they had fresh level 30 Plat+ accounts.

  3. "You can't solo carry." Yes. Yes you can. It's how I got OUT of low elo playing a champion that is (or was, idk now) a lot harder to pull off that Annie.

  4. If you don't want higher elo people to give you shit don't give shit to the guy barely below you. It's unbecoming and rude.

tl;dr open your mind more and your mouth less.

Rysophage1 votes

Of course you can solo carry i'm a vayne main i know that holy hell. but saying you can carry every game is complete bs. sometimes shit just dosen't go your way or you're forced outside your role or someone rages or you're on tilt etc w/e. And i didn't say decent players don't exist in low elo. sure they do. they're most likely all silver and having the same or similar issues climbing. And if you've been in my elo why act like it's so easy to climb? I shouldn't have to play at a nigh professional level just because some asshat dosen't want to ward.

Rock MD2 votes

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Of course you can solo carry i'm a vayne main i know that holy hell. but saying you can carry every game is complete bs. sometimes shit just dosen't go your way or you're forced outside your role or someone rages or you're on tilt etc w/e. And i didn't say decent players don't exist in low elo. sure they do. they're most likely all silver and having the same or similar issues climbing. And if you've been in my elo why act like it's so easy to climb? I shouldn't have to play at a nigh professional level just because some asshat dosen't want to ward.

I act like it's easy to climb because as soon as I cut the shit you're doing right now, it became extremely easy to climb.

Also, I met one decent player in Silver. This was around early September. I told him to start playing ranked. He agreed and he's Plat III now.

So don't give me that, "Decent players are in low elo." If you're a decent player and have an ounce of ambition you won't be in Silver.

LiveYiOrDieHard1 votes

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If you take into consideration the amount of know nothing children in my elo that will say "fuck you or "fuck off" when you try to fucking help them or tell them to buy a ward and maybe they wont get ganked all the time, or the people that just straight afk when they die or the jungler doesn't give them blue buff, or some dumb shit. yeah i lose ALOT of games. I can't control 4 other people. I can only worry about me and you can't win a game by yourself. But you damn sure can lose one. I've tried the brain dead champion route, hell i have an 70%

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http://imgur.com/hsvcLer

LiveYiOrDieHard1 votes

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You literally have no experience with this game. Stop talking. Casters don't benefit from crit like i said. Bronze two rekenton mains with 90 wins don't know anything about adcs or the crit stat.

You're silver V and probably have about half my MMR

Gameplay and balance cracks me up so much. My sides are killing me.

http://imgur.com/Yu6lgrP

Rysophage1 votes

If you're so great i'll see you in gold next season.

warpenguin5552 votes

This has nothing to do with why people are mad. We don't like that ADCs have more ways to reach max CDR than mages do.

Rysophage1 votes

why do you care about adc's cdr? the majority of adcs don't care because they're primary damage is from auto attacks anyway. I'm saying that there's REALLY easy ways to get to 40% that have BEEN IN THE GAME FOREVER.

Ratbert1 votes

Because their survivability and steroids depend on cooldown.

Lemme just gimp my mr/ap by needing to run what adcs got on an item for no reason other than "lets have adcs hit crit caps and cdr caps".

LadyRenly2 votes

You build Morello or Athene's, not both lol.

Rysophage1 votes

i thought that part was obvious but i guess not. I'll edit it so it's more clear. I meant just one. A 20% cdr + 15% in runes + 5% in masteries gives you max. It only takes one item. and people are saying that adcs only need one item when they need 2-3. Which is why i'm wondering why the hell they're crying. Then i look at their profiles and I've literally played more games on my sub mains than they have of LoL and i'm not surprised =.='

MudintheWater1 votes

Wrong. If you want max you need 20% in runes. That's why it's annoying.

15% Glpyhs + 5% Mastery + 20% item = 40% out of a possible 45%.

20% glyphs + Quint + 20% item = 40% out of 40%

Taking the new CDR mastery means that if you want max CDR of 45% with one item you will have to use a quint. Not taking the new Cdr mastery means that to get 40% you will also have to use a quint.

Meanwhile ADCs are getting 30% CDR from one item.

Stephenizgod2 votes

Maybe this would have been a nice helpful post if you were not being a complete douche about it... So DOWNVOTED! Feel free to rage at me, it makes me laugh.

Also you say Caster Marksmen don't benefit from Crit, but getting 30% CDR from one item while also gaining damage and crit chance does benefit them quite a bit. Now even their AA's will have a chance to deal a lot of damage as well as their abilities, unless you refuse to AA in between abilities there is really no downside to building ER on them. It is 1 item slot taken up that gives 30% CDR, that is incredibly cost efficient even on someone like Lucian or Ezreal. Now they can free up a few slots for pure damage items. This also helps Auto-Attack Marksmen, even though sometimes using an ability actually cuts down on their DPS it also mean their escapes/engages or steroids are on lower CD.

Basically there is no reason NOT to get ER, it is not a 100% must buy but honestly it is not ever a bad buy as you don't really sacrifice anything... Mages however now need to sacrifice a bit to reach max CDR, so its a little bit unfair to mages or so it would seem.

MudintheWater1 votes

Ha. I've been seeing miss fortunes and Quinn's build ER as their second item after IE for the broken-ass 30% CDR they get from it.

It's bullshit that ADCs can get as much CDR as mages while also getting powerful autos.

I will never buy nomicon and grail together when I can buy actual useful items like Rylai's or Liandrys.

My FU to Pwyff is taking scaling CDR glyphs and Quints. Pwyff doesn't believe mages should access 40% CDR with one item while he is handing it out to ADCs like candy. Well he can get over it. I get my CDR from nomicon and max it out.

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